T20 World Cup in Australia.

Newby

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It's not how Brook got out, that can happen to anybody, but how he tried to play that worried me. He looked very anxious and short of confidence and I think England have better options at the moment, though with Malan injured they won't want to change too much.

I'm sure he is an all format player but let him get his feet under the table in Test cricket and gain the confidence that he belongs at this level first.
 

Hawke

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Yes well done Adil R. He seems to have been below his best for a year. Ever since the Azeem R accusations were made! Indeed Harry B has not contributed in this comp yet. Didn't realise Dawid M was injured. Well done Ben S.
So no Australia or South Africa. SA keel over again under pressure!!!
The 3 Yorkshire connected Pakistan players all contributed to their win and late qualification. Shadab is better for Pakistan than Yorkshire. Masood may play less for us than he did for Derbyshire........ I see Shadab is Pakistan vice captain. Can he deputise for us ??????
 

Newby

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I saw the Dutch get off to a flyer against South Africa in the game that started at midnight, but I didn't seriously expect them to win when bed called.

New Zealand play Pakistan on Wednesday in Sydney in the first semi.
England play India in Adelaide on Thursday, both games at 8 am GMT.

England fans might be a little bit outnumbered, 80,000 plus watched India v Zimbabwe in a dead rubber today.
 

Newby

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The three Pakistan players with Yorkshire links, Shadab Khan, Haris Rauf and Shan Masood look to be going through against New Zealand who also have three ex Yorkshire players, Kane Williamson, Finn Allen and Lockie Ferguson.

New Zealand were just a trifle conservative in their innings against some very good bowling it must be said.
Pakistan have gone for it and look to be cruising into the final.
 

DaveMorton

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But didn't NZ pay the price for not picking a real wicket-keeper? Babar Azam dropped. first over. Yes, it gives you a longer batting order; yes, it gives you five frontline bowlers. But no, you can't drop the likes of Babar. Ever.

I thought Pak's fielding was off the scale for brilliance, beginning with the Shadab run out of Finn Allen.
 

Donnylad

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Coo! That result is NOT what I thought might happen. Used, slow pitch? Bowling off the pace in the sense of what was needed rather than km/h?

Hopefully the final will be played on something better ...... are Duckworth Lewis and Stern padded up and ready for action?
 

Newby

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Bad planning means I will be out and about and miss tomorrow's semi-final between India and England. My preference is for an England win but the prospect of a re-match between Pakistan and India in the final wouldn't be too bad.

Weather looks fine for tomorrow in Adelaide, but decidedly iffy for the final in Melbourne.
 

tbsteve

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Yeah, there's just something about the Indian players - and supporters - that makes me delighted to see them thrashed. I've a soft spot for SA, NZ, and WI but really dislike the attitude of the Indian team.

When JB gets fit, where does he fit into the side? Perhaps some competition for places between him, Malan, Salt, and Brook with Duckett in the wings and if Roy returns to form, him too. The batting looks promising for a good few years :)
 

Hawke

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Gosh what a performance! And Adil R was back to his very best. Shame for YJB to miss out on it all. He and Joe R need to keep clear of golf....
 

tbsteve

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Rashid has bowled exceptionally these last couple of games, going for around 40 in 8 overs. BUT, at his peak, he was a real wicket taker as well. He's barely taken a wicket in the whole tournament. Personally, I think he hasn't played enough cricket over the last couple of years and he needs more game time (Yorkshire?) to get back to his absolute best for both penetration and economy.
 

Karma

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Rashid has indeed come to the party in these two last games. His bowling has recently been economical though agree his wicket tally is poor. Well limited overs games don't actually require you to bowl out the opposition (though that would be great) but just keep the runs conceded at a low level. Fine, but taking a wicket is based on a dot ball and when new batsmen come in, they don't always score runs quickly from the off.

The Rashid of old would do both, i.e. be economical and take wickets. Some pundits have said the 'old' Rashid was based upon the confidence that ex-captain Morgan had in him (and vice-versa) i.e. to try things to get wickets but not worry about conceding. Maybe he is now establishing a good relationship with the new captain and that is reflected in his bowling,

I don't know his figures when bowling for Yorkshire this year though I don't recall him playing that much or being very successful. Obviously, him limiting his time to white ball only still rankles with many. Supporters remember him not playing when available in a very important championship match some years ago (because he was' tired') and him also going on his pilgrimage earlier this year instead of turning out for Yorkshire and when he could have easily done both within the timescale available. More recently the fallout from 'Rafiq' affair has some believe led to him being less enamoured to be a playing for YCCC. Some supporters, but not me, don't like his 'support for Rafiq i.e. in his also hearing Vaughan's comments made to a group of players including himself and Rafiq (with whom he jointly owns a fish and chip shop in Barnsley)

His was always a name I'd look for on the Yorkshire team sheet. I like him a lot as a bowler and a batsman, suprisingly good in this latter area when given a chance. Would love him to turn out for Yorkshire more and get plenty of overs in though opportunities might be limited, particularly early in the season. Depends upon the fixture list and whether he wants to turn out or not.

Others who are more astute than me might have a better idea of why his game has game this season has been patchy.
 

Newby

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I think Adil Rashid, while earning his livelihood from cricket, doesn't appear to be a slave to the game.

I've gone through the range of emotions of a typical Yorkshire supporter over the years in regard to his relationship with the club. Now I wish him well for his England career and the few appearances he might make in the T20 blast for Yorkshire.

His being on the Yorkshire books is a flag of convenience for both parties, and I can't see him suddenly becoming available for anything other than the handful of games he has played over the last few seasons.
 

tbsteve

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Not much to disagree with there - but does playing less keep him fresh or playing less blunt his wicket taking potential?
 

DaveMorton

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He totally outbowled both Ashwin and Axar Patel in the semi, and without him England wouldn't have even reached that stage. If he is not taking wickets, it is because teams are tactically blocking out his four overs. England are beginning to appreciate just how good Livingston is, too, bowling, batting and fielding.

The combination of proper-sized boundaries and decent cricket pitches has made this the best T20 competition I have watched. One major factor has been England's fitness, batting/running and fielding. I believe all cricket should be played on the maximum area available. Okay, if your ground is small, as Lord's and Headingley are by International standards (and Trent Bridge and The Oval have been made smaller by recent redevelopment), that is fine. It is what it is. But to make a ground artificially small by bringing in boundaries is not acceptable. In my opinion, of course.
 

Donnylad

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I have just watched England win. Isn't it amazing how a low scoring limited overs match can generate excitement.

Lots to enjoy. The contribution of past, present and future YCCC players was significant. Rashid showed what he can do on a wicket that gives a little help. The quicks on both sides bowled well .... we saw Rauf's potential and he certainly lived up to it (good Aussie bowling coach at Pakistan) and Affridi is a real threat.

I have often criticised Stokes but the innings today was class. He played properly when he had to and saw the side home.

So 1 out of 3 World Cups this weekend ..... add this to the Physical Disability WC and hopefully final vs France in the wheelchair RL .. and the women are in the mix as well.
 
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