T20 World Cup in Australia.

Newby

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Good win for England today against New Zealand. I listened to all the New Zealand innings whilst driving (Skipton to Dent) and though I lost the signal a couple of times that only ramped up the tension. I thought for a little while that Glenn Phillips and Kane Williamson might pull it off, chasing 180, but it ended quite comfortably for England in the end.

I'm not sure to be honest if I'm keener on England winning the T20 World Cup or of getting more points than anyone else in predicting the top 4.
 

Hawke

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Watching on from afar, there have been some good games. Zimbabwe's 2 close ones, Ireland beating England, India fighting back v Pakistan, SA fighting back v India. Big win for England today. I'm not that involved in it but some good games.
 

DaveMorton

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It's not a bad way to start the day, coffee, crumpet and cricket on t' box. Especially the crumpet. Why is the Tesco one 35p for 6, when the Warburton version is over a quid?

Sam Curran is beginning to look like the player we were told he is. Hasn't the catching been awful? Village, as they used to say. I was amused that, following Moeen's drop, a Kiwi in the crowd caught the next one; shelling peas easy, he made it look.
 

Newby

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I totally agree about it being a good way into the day, I prefer to listen but occasionally commandeer the TV to watch if the TMS commentary gets too childish, which is does, often. By the time the crickets over it's too late to do whatever it was I was determined to do that day.

I'm a pikelet man myself and can't tell one crumpet from the other, perhaps because I prefer them a little over toasted.

Sam Curran seems to have assumed the Chris Jordan role.

On the catching, I sometimes struggle to believe what I am seeing. It often looks like they are dropping catches for a bet, what am I saying.
 

DaveMorton

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I think most amateurs would relate to the Moeen drop, a dolly, and not even laying a hand on it! The sort of catch people remind you of 20 years on. Nay, 40 years on.

Prestwich 2nd v Stalybridge 2nd, cup match, 1985. I can remember the name of the batsman (Stokes, as it happens), the bowler (Ward, who is now Chairman at Sedgley Park RUFC), the position I was fielding in (gully, and I was captain) and that we won the game, thankfully. Also that it was a sunny Sunday, most of the 1st XI were watching, and they took the P mercilessly...as I would have done.

The following week, off the same bowler and in the same position, I took the best catch of my life. No one watching. No Indian bookmaker was involved, on either occasion.
 
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tbsteve

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I think it was Atherton who said the only reason for Ali's dropped catch would be losing the ball in the floodlights. A bad drop all the same but thankfully not one that cost us the match.
 

Donnylad

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Everyone has dropped one like that at some time.

First match for our club 1st XI, an incomer from oop north. I had scored some runs for our school staff team and my mate Bill got me a game for the 1sts. We fielded and - inevitably - the new bloke was stationed at mid on and deep square leg ...OK with that. We are getting some tap, the skipper comes on with his dobbers and some bloke hits a six more or less out of the ground. Sent back to the rope, downhill from the pitch, facing into the sun, up goes the next one, and up, and up. I come in proper positioning as per MCC coaching manual ... and it went straight through my hands like dishwater down a drain. Got cleaned up third ball as well by some wily slow left armer. My good mate Bill never let me forget that drop.
 

Hawke

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Yes as a teenager at Cottingham CC at the King George V Playing Fields spotted that a batsman was trying a shot backward of leg. I was at square leg. I took the decision every ball, as the bowler was coming in, to quickly walk behind square, so as not to let the batsman see. He hit one, in the air, to me at my new cunning position...and in my excitement ...I dropped a fairly simple one. Dont think my teammates realised that I had got into that position with amazing insight (!) just saw the drop.

In another match on the same ground, probably within five square yards of that drop, I once threw myself into the air and took a catch in mid-flight like a soaring bird!!!!! I had no idea how I did it...bit like a person chased by a bull could jump over a fence they would not normally try

in an early game for Cottingham I remember running to try and make a catch but only succeeded in banging into an older teammate who was doing the same.....he was quite burly and I lanky and lean but he ended up on the floor for 5 mins recovering!!! the catch was probably missed....
 

DaveMorton

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"I took the decision every ball, as the bowler was coming in, to quickly walk behind square, so as not to let the batsman see."

That's actually illegal, and cheating! It was Gatting, sneakily moving a man behind the batsman's back that led to the Shakoor Rana incident, plus Shakoor (allegedly) calling Gats an effing cheat.
 

Hawke

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"I took the decision every ball, as the bowler was coming in, to quickly walk behind square, so as not to let the batsman see."

That's actually illegal, and cheating! It was Gatting, sneakily moving a man behind the batsman's back that led to the Shakoor Rana incident, plus Shakoor (allegedly) calling Gats an effing cheat.
Ha! I suppose it is, though fieldsmen do walk in with the bowler and may be yards from their original position, which I was. In my defence m'lud I was of course a callow youth and was also next to the umpire who said nothing. I had not thought I was a Gatting sneak. Obviously had not considered my sin in later years. Thank goodness I did not post that in Seth's time. I am publicly rebuked. (I might do it again though...)
 

DaveMorton

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It is my understanding that you are allowed to walk in, obviously, but not to change your angle once the ball is live, which begins when the bowler starts his run. I remember reading in one of Mike Brearley's books that he instructed the non-striker to keep an eye out for this, and to intervene and prevent the delivery if it happened. His concern was the pre-arranged act of square-leg dropping deep for the bouncer, running behind the striker's back. Obviously it's morally unfair, but I believe actually written as unfair in the Laws, somewhere.

There has been a change recently, allowing a fieldsman to anticipate a stoke, for example slip to cross to leg-slip if a batsman looks as though he's going to scoop or ramp. I had not known that even that had been illegal, until they started discussing it.

I wouldn't expect ordinary league umpires to know, as with something that happened in a game I played. Batsman with runner, played stroke, forgot and began to run. His runner got in, but he didn't, and I ran him out...or at least, I appealed. The umpire had no idea of the Law. I wasn't bothered. I was only showing off my knowledge for a laugh.
 

Donnylad

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I played most of my club cricket on a KG Vth field too but in a different place! Hawke's post about knowing the laws reminded me of somehting from a match in my schooldays.

We played a 2nd XI match against local rivals Thorne GS and in the midst of their innings this lad hit the ball towards mid off, in the air and the case split!
Our skipper (JG, always JG) shouted "catch the middle, that's the law!" and obligingly one of the lads did so. I am sure that neither umpire knew the law but JG was so convincing that they quickly conferred and gave the lad out. To this day I still don't know if JD was correct!
He wasn't a very good batsman, he couldn't bowl (the original frog in a blender) and his fielding was er.... unreliable but he knew everything about cricket and was a good captain for a side of lads who were never consistent enough for the First XI but enjoyed their cricket.
 

DaveMorton

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There were some umpires who seemed to know all these tricky ones. What to do if the ball split. What about the fielder chasing the ball hard, and a spectator picks it up before it reaches the boundary? I played in one game where a fielder took a catch near the boundary, a spectator walking in the area signalled six. The boundary was marked by little plastic flags, only a few metres apart, but no line and no rope, which is common in club cricket. A further complication was that the fielder was black, as were most of his team, and the spectator was white, like most of our team, and both umpires. They ruled 'six' and it got unpleasant. There must be a 'protocol', but I've no idea what it is. I suspect they got it wrong!

Those West Indians, of my generation, were scrupulously sporting, and most of them 'walked'. They were also pretty aggressive, but nowt wrong with that. I still remember facing big Denzil Taylor. He was the size of half a house running at you. Good bowler! Good fun! My god, was he angry that day!
 

Newby

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Interesting game today with Australia just managing a win against Afghanistan.

Just one game left in the group with England taking on Sri Lanka in Sydney tomorrow morning.

New Zealand have already qualified, and England will too, if they win of course which isn't a foregone conclusion.

Australia will qualify if England stumble.

South Africa and India look favourites to go through from the other group which concludes on Sunday.
 

Donnylad

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So much for my predictions ....
I think Aussie will struggle to qualify ........................... I might still get my wish on that one ....
and I have a sneaky feeling for the Netherlands ........ who like my other outsiders, Zimbabawe, kind of collapsed in a heap
1 England ................................................................................. only if we are very lucky I suspect
2 India ....................................................................................... mmm! possibly
SF New Zealand and Netherlands .................................. sorry Kiwis got that completely wrong - 'our' Kiwi bird nipped in for some wickets
Men of the series
: Duckworth Lewis Stern ................ spot on ....

Lots of combinations depending on the weather, DLS, and that something which makes T20 cricket (almost) unpredictable.
 

Karma

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When I heard that England would be batting 2nd on a used pitch, I thought 'oh oh, here we go' . I didn't watch or listen to the game but followed the scores on my phone.

The game unfolded as I thought but not as I feared. A win is a win. Well done. Tough on Australia. Hooray.

Well batted Stokes, well bowled Rashid, welcome to the party
 

Newby

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They made heavy weather of it but at least they are through. Funny kind of game with both teams finding it difficult to score after the first 10 overs. Brook hasn't quite lived up to the hype and he just needed to play steady away today but couldn't manage it.

Malan injured so they will probably have to make a change for the semi-final.
 

tbsteve

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It was a great game to watch, swung both ways at times. Their spinners were class. I thought Rashid really turned the game for us - until he came on in the 6th they were running away with it but he strangled the scoring. I'd have bowled Ali a bit more too. Curran is a great death bowler and Wood came back strong after a terrible opening over which went for 17.

Our openers were on fire and seem to be coming into form just at the right time. They compliment each other too with Hales attacking from the off like Finn does for NZ, and that gives Buttler a little time to play himself in. Gutted Hales didn't get his 50, he deserved it. Our middle order looks flakey and it was reassuring to have Stokes there.

Brook is having a bad tournament. Poor batting which possibly cost us against Ireland and gave his wicket away today. His fielding also seems below par. Hard to really judge on the stream, but he just seems out of position more often than not. He flicked a ball in against NZ, but onto his body and over the rope. Today he came in for a catch and then had to back peddle and missed it. Compared to the likes of Livingston and Jordan he's just below what I'd expect these days. If Malan wasn't injured, I'd be tempted to drop him and bring in Duckett. Malan only looked to pull his groin though so maybe he'll be back. Brook did well in Pakistan though, so maybe it's the conditions that don't suit, or the large grounds meaning what would be a six elsewhere is out here.
 

tbsteve

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Just realised that Duckett isn't in the squad so maybe Salt in for either Malan or Brook. With squad options of Salt, Mills, Willey and Jordan we don't have much batting cover and no spin cover, it doesn't seem all that balanced.
 

DaveMorton

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Stokes showed his ability with a Root-like innings at 3. Harry had a chance, at last, to play a nice quiet 20-odd, but it didn't work this time. He's fine. Malan is injured, and if the groin pull is so bad he couldn't bat, Salt will come in. I too hadn't realised that Duckett is not in the squad, though he could be brought in. We've got plenty of batting for 20 overs, and a nice balance of attack, lots of spin with Ali and Livingston. I would just be happier if Root were there to bat 3.

That's the best I've ever seen Hales bat.
 
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