Surrey (1) v Yorkshire (6) at the Oval 20-23 Sept 2022.

Hawke

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Perhaps all the short-listed applicants thought better of it and withdrew. It's not going to be the most comfortable job in the world over the next couple of years.

Deep in debt, probable points deduction or even forced relegation to come, unhappy players wanting to leave, boardroom chaos, incompetent staff and an unprecedented decline in membership.

And I'm looking on the bright side.

I was there until about 2 o clock. Moved on when Bess was out, not that I though he was going to bat all day. Lyth was probably the only hope of that, and he never really looked comfortable.
Strangely TM, I tend to have the opposite view on the grounds. The Oval, I find very welcoming. The pavilion is excellent, and the newish stand to the right of the pavilion is well thought out. It has a nice bar with tropical style plants, and an area where people can sit and work on laptops etc. Forward thinking rather than being stuck in the past.
I had breakfast and lunch in the long room bit on the first floor. On each occasion I got into conversation with various members, who were good company. They were all very open minded about change, whilst enjoying the facilities they had at their disposal. The stewards likewise were very pleasant. I contrast that with my odd visits to Lords, where access to the pavilion is very restricted, and only helped if you dress like something from the 1920s and are accompanied by a freemason.
Surrey bowlers were good, and the team generally looked organised and competent, and if that is anything like what they have been doing all season, then they are worthy league winners. Crowd was sparce, but pavilion well populated, possibly in anticipation of winning the league.

I saw that Tattersall bowled, which to my mind is wholly disrespectful to the opposition. It also shows a defeatist attitude. I know we were 99% certain to lose, but suspect Brian Close would have at least made some effort before bringing Jimmy Binks on.
didn't Tattersall turn his arm to up the bowling rate to reduce our chances of being docked another point or two...only the overs might take longer if the ball is always being deposited over the ropes...
 

Newby

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didn't Tattersall turn his arm to up the bowling rate to reduce our chances of being docked another point or two...only the overs might take longer if the ball is always being deposited over the ropes...
I presume he divested himself of his keeper's gear, which will have taken up any time saved and more. Probably a misguided attempt to save some bowling averages when he saw how Surrey were going to play it.
 

Karma

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Great descriptions Tykemania and byased, as though I was there. But I wasn't and didn't watch Livestream. I'm therefore speaking in ignorance (never stops me usually)

Maybe Tatts, in addition to 'the over rate reasoning by' by Hawke, seeing the writing on the wall, thought that he would bowl, take some of the punishment by way of runs conceded against his 'bowling' figures rather than affect the established proper bowlers figures any more. Appreciate it can seem disrespectful though. Just a thought. We'd have to ask him to get his reasoning.

In the previous match however, he did get Jennings caught, much to Jenning's chagrin and no little embarrassment

Edit. Newby, you just beat me to another view of Tatt's bowling
 
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DaveMorton

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It is something that used to be done frequently - see Arthur Morris bowling to Compton when England won the Ashes in 1953. We don't do these things any more in our po-faced, plastic world. How on earth could it be deemed disrespectful?

If the two Surrey left-handers had come out and batted right handed against us, that would have been disrespectful. But they didn't.
 

byased

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It is something that used to be done frequently - see Arthur Morris bowling to Compton when England won the Ashes in 1953. We don't do these things any more in our po-faced, plastic world. How on earth could it be deemed disrespectful?

If the two Surrey left-handers had come out and batted right handed against us, that would have been disrespectful. But they didn't.
I think if I went out to bat in a proper match, and the opposition put a wicketkeeper on to bowl, I would think they were just taking the pi**.
Plenty of other players who could turn their arm over if you just wanted to surrender the game. Arthur Morris was not a wicket keeper I don't think?
 

Newby

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Perhaps Tattersall had dream on Wednesday night, in which he took a double hat trick, and he just felt he had to give it a try to see if dreams really do come true.

Now he knows.
 

Hawke

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Chris Waters in the YP wrote

"...with Rory Burns, their captain, pulling the winning boundary off his opposite number Jonny Tattersall, the wicketkeeper who once more had to bring himself on to bowl to drag back the over-rate."

I will have read that earlier.
 

Newby

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I suppose Chris Waters knows best. I wonder if Adam Lyth is going to get his bowling licence back this winter. I'm sure I've seen TKC bowl some filth posing as spin in the past.
 

DaveMorton

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I played in a game for Prestwich when our wicket-keeper / captain brought himself on to bowl one over at the end of a game in which they were 90 for 5 replying to our 180 or so. The batsman was former NZ bowler Bob Blair, and he got him out with (being generous) a 30 mph googly. Well, he couldn't bat, any more than the rest of them!

But ask our man now, who is Club President, and he will tell you that 100% of the wickets he took in all his life were Test players.

And Tatters is a better bowler than Arthur Morris, or Lindsay Hassett, who bowled the penultimate over; captain and vice-captain, the act being seen as a sportsmanlike handing over of the Ashes, in writings at the time.
 
Finally back from the Oval. Fairly dispiriting and as one sided as a scrutiny of the 2 playing squads suggested it would be. We need to get an overseas player as committed to the cause as Kemar Roach. He wanted to effectively win the game by getting Adam Lyth and was overjoyed when he did so. We battled 2nd innings, and ultimately scored enough, to bowl enough, to preserve our bonus points from a bowling rate reduction, embarrassing as it was in the 6 overs we bowled! To prevent this happening again we need to give Duke the gloves and let Tattersall bat and captain. He batted well in this game. We had our moments, but all 5 Surrey seamers did well, and even their erratic leg spinner bowled a couple with unpicked googlies, although the one to Kohler did roll! Failing to avoid the follow on was a key factor, but I think we would have still lost had we not done so.

Surrey and Yorkshire members were united in their condemnation of the Strauss review, which is effectively a recipe to fatten up the Hundred ready to sell to private equity and to the IPL.
 

Donnylad

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Finally back from the Oval. Fairly dispiriting and as one sided as a scrutiny of the 2 playing squads suggested it would be. We need to get an overseas player as committed to the cause as Kemar Roach. He wanted to effectively win the game by getting Adam Lyth and was overjoyed when he did so. We battled 2nd innings, and ultimately scored enough, to bowl enough, to preserve our bonus points from a bowling rate reduction, embarrassing as it was in the 6 overs we bowled! To prevent this happening again we need to give Duke the gloves and let Tattersall bat and captain. He batted well in this game. We had our moments, but all 5 Surrey seamers did well, and even their erratic leg spinner bowled a couple with unpicked googlies, although the one to Kohler did roll! Failing to avoid the follow on was a key factor, but I think we would have still lost had we not done so.

Surrey and Yorkshire members were united in their condemnation of the Strauss review, which is effectively a recipe to fatten up the Hundred ready to sell to private equity and to the IPL.
.. and of course seats on the Board for Stauss and the rest of the Fay Cat E*C*Bas***ds.
 

Karma

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.. and of course seats on the Board for Stauss and the rest of the Fay Cat E*C*Bas***ds.
Look, Donnylad if you've got something to say about the parentage of Strauss and the Board of the ECB for goodness sake, don't hold back, get it off your chest!

Playing Dukes as stumper/batter and and Tatts as captain/batter/fielder/bowler(?) has merit (for the Gloucester game)

I personally never thought through 'bigging up' the Hundred ready for sale. This would bring in vast amounts of capital but little by way of net income. I wonder would this lead to substantial one-off bonuses to ECB members, either written directly into their individual contracts or as part of some overall ECB 'profit' related pay scheme?Possibly at the expense of £1.3mill to each county too .

My view on the Blundered is play it in late September and have two games every night to get it over with in 2 weeks. That would free up time both for a proper CC and proper RLODC. Also allow Headingley to be used properly

By the way, I don't do detail very well.
 

Karma

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As far as I can tell from the YCCC website Patto is pencilled in for this week's game V Gloucester (and following his stand-out performance for the bowlers in the Surrey game if there was such a thing)

The item is almost (but not quite gushing) as he brings the curtain down on his career. Has the management of YCCC suddenly realised what PR is or are they worried about falling season ticket numbers or do they just read this Forum to get their finger on the pulse of what's important to supporters? Well Lord Patel is still (possibly) here so maybe not. Patto has still not decided what to do, he's only really played for us. I wonder............

Anyway, no other indication of the squad. Why it should be such a mystery is beyond me , there are no England call-ups that have come to an end? Root won't wake up and say ,' Do you know what, I'm going to pack my set the Sat-Nav for Headingley in case I get lost and go to turn out for me old mucker in his final game (and maybe also help the team that nurtured me to secure the result to stay in Div 1'.

I genuinely don't know the reason, nobody does. Well........
 

Hawke

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As far as I can tell from the YCCC website Patto is pencilled in for this week's game V Gloucester (and following his stand-out performance for the bowlers in the Surrey game if there was such a thing)

The item is almost (but not quite gushing) as he brings the curtain down on his career. Has the management of YCCC suddenly realised what PR is or are they worried about falling season ticket numbers or do they just read this Forum to get their finger on the pulse of what's important to supporters? Well Lord Patel is still (possibly) here so maybe not. Patto has still not decided what to do, he's only really played for us. I wonder............

Anyway, no other indication of the squad. Why it should be such a mystery is beyond me , there are no England call-ups that have come to an end? Root won't wake up and say ,' Do you know what, I'm going to pack my set the Sat-Nav for Headingley in case I get lost and go to turn out for me old mucker in his final game (and maybe also help the team that nurtured me to secure the result to stay in Div 1'.

I genuinely don't know the reason, nobody does. Well........
OG has said that the ECB, God bless them, have stated that Joe’s season is over. Don’t you just love them.
No. Makes you sick and angry.

By the way did Joe ever get to chat to AzR about old times with YCCC as was hinted at when still England captain? As Joe said he had no recollection of racist banter then it might have been decreed unnecessary...or subversive?
 
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