Surrey (1) v Yorkshire (6) at the Oval 20-23 Sept 2022.

DaveMorton

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The commentary team included a black, scruffy, fat guy (just a description!) who is a journalist with one of the tabloids. He's very good, quietly spoken, knowledgeable. Wilson? I remember him from a Sunday magazine programme which Paul Allott used to host. The guy who was perhaps watching cricket for the first time was a musician, I think, with a Lanky accent, and Wilson(?) brought the best out in him.

TKC and Tatters batted beautifully until Tom tried to launch one out of the ground. Great shot when he succeeded earlier, didn't look too good when he edged this one. Bess and Thompson both out to poor strokes; very disappointing.

The ball has moved alarmingly all day, especially the Aussie Worrall and the young kid Lawes. Bean got cleaned up by a huge inswinger. Lots of good Bean jokes from one of the better commentators: when he's old, he'll be a has-Bean, etc.
 

Tykemania

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Just back in t'house after two days at the Oval as the guest of a Lancastrian friend now a member there. It has been enjoyable cricket for the most part - the pitch itself is just the right kind of sporty - though there was a period this morning when that was allied to really thick atmospheric conditions that could have seen them off for bad light, which added lavish swing to the menu.

As with the other games our young almost second XI have been on the wrong end of recently, I can't really fault the effort from anyone, and there have been things to really like - mainly, it has to be said, the batting and bowling of George Hill, who looks to me like the natural heir to our current Test captain - but there is also a lot to worry about.

Firstly, the spectre of relegation is looming again. I don't think we will actually go down - we ought to be able to manage a final game, or at least get more points than one of Kent and Somerset, who play each other in the final round, but we should never have gotten into this position. We haven't had a lot of luck with injuries, nor has it been possible to get most of our first choice batting line up on the field, but still I am concerned that more has not been done to arrest the apparent slide.

And that sits with the management team; I like Gibson, and think he will do very well for us in the mid to long term, but as we have expressed before, he is used to coaching international sides and has perhaps left too much of the non face to face part of the role to Gough and others, which has led to some very strange recruitment decisions, not least the lack of Overseas support when it is desperately needed.

And to my biggest take away from the last two days. Which is...why have we signed Mike? I had never really seen him before, nor had I heard of him as someone particularly promising, so it worried me that we had offered him three years when Leicestershire had only offered two. It turns out he was all that I had expected, and less - he may have been nervous, he certainly isn't at an acceptable level of fitness for a 23 year old professional sportsman, but the headline is I have never seen a worse performance from a Yorkshire bowler. Even Pillans. You would have needed about twenty fielders to give him the protection his dross required. I hope he gets better from here.

Otherwise, Bean got a bit of a wake up call as to how first class cricket can be - Worrall this morning was doing so much you could almost guarantee he would be wicketless, and Overton seemed to spook him. Fraine again suggested he may not quite be of the required standard, but Tatts battled hard and should have got us past the follow on.

But we come back to the recruitment issue - our best bat, Hill aside, was TKC...and our best bowler, Hill aside, was Patto. And we released one early and sacked the other one. I am running out of words to express how bad those decisions are...
 

Karma

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Just back in t'house after two days at the Oval as the guest of a Lancastrian friend now a member there. It has been enjoyable cricket for the most part - the pitch itself is just the right kind of sporty - though there was a period this morning when that was allied to really thick atmospheric conditions that could have seen them off for bad light, which added lavish swing to the menu.

As with the other games our young almost second XI have been on the wrong end of recently, I can't really fault the effort from anyone, and there have been things to really like - mainly, it has to be said, the batting and bowling of George Hill, who looks to me like the natural heir to our current Test captain - but there is also a lot to worry about.

Firstly, the spectre of relegation is looming again. I don't think we will actually go down - we ought to be able to manage a final game, or at least get more points than one of Kent and Somerset, who play each other in the final round, but we should never have gotten into this position. We haven't had a lot of luck with injuries, nor has it been possible to get most of our first choice batting line up on the field, but still I am concerned that more has not been done to arrest the apparent slide.

And that sits with the management team; I like Gibson, and think he will do very well for us in the mid to long term, but as we have expressed before, he is used to coaching international sides and has perhaps left too much of the non face to face part of the role to Gough and others, which has led to some very strange recruitment decisions, not least the lack of Overseas support when it is desperately needed.

And to my biggest take away from the last two days. Which is...why have we signed Mike? I had never really seen him before, nor had I heard of him as someone particularly promising, so it worried me that we had offered him three years when Leicestershire had only offered two. It turns out he was all that I had expected, and less - he may have been nervous, he certainly isn't at an acceptable level of fitness for a 23 year old professional sportsman, but the headline is I have never seen a worse performance from a Yorkshire bowler. Even Pillans. You would have needed about twenty fielders to give him the protection his dross required. I hope he gets better from here.

Otherwise, Bean got a bit of a wake up call as to how first class cricket can be - Worrall this morning was doing so much you could almost guarantee he would be wicketless, and Overton seemed to spook him. Fraine again suggested he may not quite be of the required standard, but Tatts battled hard and should have got us past the follow on.

But we come back to the recruitment issue - our best bat, Hill aside, was TKC...and our best bowler, Hill aside, was Patto. And we released one early and sacked the other one. I am running out of words to express how bad those decisions are...
Nothing like actually being at the game live and I thank you for your vivid descriptions and insights..

I think performance on the field has been secondary to performance off stage as most of the spotlight has been elsewhere. Thank goodness we've had Patto and Coed recently as our remaining attack has lacked penetration, accuracy and consistancy. Hill has done well and will get better with time.

I thought Mike was nervous initially but the jury's still out while for Thommo , he's been brilliant, never stopped but is badly in need of a rest ( and to get some coaching on both bowling and batting) Waite has gone soon to be followed bt the brilliant TKC., so might be a bit short of quality in depth.

We are where we deserve to be in the table, we've only won one CC game and only one county has a worst record we meet them next week and they could beat us.
 

Hawke

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yes it’s all a worry.. thanks Tykemania for that excellent eye-witness account
 

Newby

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We are certainly falling away badly at the moment and look a pale shadow of the vigorous, bustling side that started the season so well. I'll be quite glad to see the back of this season now. Although I fear the off-season could be even more of a nightmare.

The mood music, including not seeking any overseas help, being ultra cautious with regards to bringing Fisher back, and not getting Joe Root in for this game, seems to emphasise that the clubs focus is elsewhere and the cricket is a bit of a nuisance at the moment.

I hope we don't and I don't think we will end up in the bottom two, but we don't deserve to be much higher than we are.
 

Donnylad

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We are getting quietly stuffed here. In effect 16 for 6.

You have to look at the excess runs scored off Mike - who bowled 14 of our 81 overs at them = 17% of our effort for 27% of their runs.
The other 5 bowlers went for an average of 47 runs. He only got a wicket when a tail ender chopped one onto the stumps I think.

The excess 40 odd runs probably don't matter now but if you are not leaking runs at 6.5 an over from one end, it does put a bit of pressure on the batsmen.

OK - we will see what the last match and the winter brings. Mike needs to do some fitness work and a lot of work with a bowling coach if he is to be of any use. Bearing in mind the fragile state of our attack, the lack of real pace, the departure of Patto there is a massive job there. Who is going to do it?
 

Newby

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We are getting quietly stuffed by a very strong team, but I'm pleased we aren't getting rolled over.

Like Hampshire it's the bowling attack that carries the Surrey team. Surrey may brag about their home grown batsmen, but they have recruited most of their bowlers.
 

Donnylad

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10 wicket defeat, 55 for 0 in 6 overs ...... have the lads got wind of a good long weekend break somewhere????

Joking apart .... pretty well clobbered here. Squaeaky num time for the results elsewhere today.
 
Forgive me asking as I daresay it's been done to death. But Patto - he's 35, I realise, but is he not worth some sort of place in the squad next year? Or is his continued presence regarded as detrimental to the development of the next generation?
 

Newby

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Forgive me asking as I daresay it's been done to death. But Patto - he's 35, I realise, but is he not worth some sort of place in the squad next year? Or is his continued presence regarded as detrimental to the development of the next generation?
Patto will be 39 next month. I think it's true to say most supporters think he is worth hanging on to for another season. I have a feeling there is more to it but that's just me.

Calling him our best most consistent bowler I think says more about the others.
 

Tykemania

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I didn't have access to the Members Pavilion today, and was fleeced out of a £20 note on arrival which stung, but I actually quite enjoyed today. Though I have to say that outside of said Pavilion, the Oval is an absolute hole of a ground, with none of the charisma or history of Lords and none of the personality that the fans bring to the other main test grounds.

We lost. I am perhaps a little more sanguine about that than I was this time yesterday; we battled today, as I think we have for the most part this season, save at the very end when Tatts embarrassed himself, and us by bowling two overs of the most utter filth, but were simply outgunned (it was interesting watching the Surrey bowlers from side on just how much more carry they were getting than our rather military medium attack). Lyth continued to play well, even as TKC and Fraine departed, but got what looked a very lively nut from Kemar Roach. From there, Tatts and Bess tried to dig in, but we were gradually picked off.

An interesting point was made by a Surrey supporter with whom I spent a perfectly amicable hour; we've lost five games this year - four have been against Surrey and Hampshire, counties with strong, deep playing squads augmented from abroad and few international calls to worry them, and one has been by a single run (or, if we are brutal, 3 inches of George Hill's boot) against Essex. That's a perfect snapshot of where we have been - a level below the top two, especially without our first choice batting - but right up with everyone else. If we can get back to focussing on cricket, and if there is money left for another signing or two, then I don't think any of this is terminal.

Surrey are deserving Champions. I do though want to nix this idea of it being a home grown side. Burns, Patel, Pope and Lawes are. But they have a Saffer, an Aussie and a Barbadian, as well as acquisitions from Lancashire, Essex, Somerset and Durham - there are some other god home grown players in their squad (the reserve keeper Smith is quality, as are Gus Atkinson and Amar Virdi) but also a lot more imports like the Zimbabwean Currans. Its a far cry from our ten home grown players.

Of course, my mood improved more on the journey home as I watched Gloucestershire beat Youse Bears. Not going to lie, I would be very happy if they were to take up the second relegation spot!
 

Hawke

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Forgive me asking as I daresay it's been done to death. But Patto - he's 35, I realise, but is he not worth some sort of place in the squad next year? Or is his continued presence regarded as detrimental to the development of the next generation?
everyone seems to have aged 4 years over Covid! Young Ben Coad will be 29 in January.
 

Karma

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I didn't have access to the Members Pavilion today, and was fleeced out of a £20 note on arrival which stung, but I actually quite enjoyed today. Though I have to say that outside of said Pavilion, the Oval is an absolute hole of a ground, with none of the charisma or history of Lords and none of the personality that the fans bring to the other main test grounds.

We lost. I am perhaps a little more sanguine about that than I was this time yesterday; we battled today, as I think we have for the most part this season, save at the very end when Tatts embarrassed himself, and us by bowling two overs of the most utter filth, but were simply outgunned (it was interesting watching the Surrey bowlers from side on just how much more carry they were getting than our rather military medium attack). Lyth continued to play well, even as TKC and Fraine departed, but got what looked a very lively nut from Kemar Roach. From there, Tatts and Bess tried to dig in, but we were gradually picked off.

An interesting point was made by a Surrey supporter with whom I spent a perfectly amicable hour; we've lost five games this year - four have been against Surrey and Hampshire, counties with strong, deep playing squads augmented from abroad and few international calls to worry them, and one has been by a single run (or, if we are brutal, 3 inches of George Hill's boot) against Essex. That's a perfect snapshot of where we have been - a level below the top two, especially without our first choice batting - but right up with everyone else. If we can get back to focussing on cricket, and if there is money left for another signing or two, then I don't think any of this is terminal.

Surrey are deserving Champions. I do though want to nix this idea of it being a home grown side. Burns, Patel, Pope and Lawes are. But they have a Saffer, an Aussie and a Barbadian, as well as acquisitions from Lancashire, Essex, Somerset and Durham - there are some other god home grown players in their squad (the reserve keeper Smith is quality, as are Gus Atkinson and Amar Virdi) but also a lot more imports like the Zimbabwean Currans. Its a far cry from our ten home grown players.

Of course, my mood improved more on the journey home as I watched Gloucestershire beat Youse Bears. Not going to lie, I would be very happy if they were to take up the second relegation spot!
Lovely description of the game and your day too. I too would also be happy to give up my seat to Warks on the relegation bus
 
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Karma

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Not much I can add to all these carefully crafted and enjoyable insights

I did notice though that so far Yorkshire have earned exactly 32 bowling points. Surrey have earned 32 bowling points also

For batting it's 47 v 33 and only two teams have so far more batting points than Yorkshire (the other is Hampshire)

I'm just trying to take some comfort from a poor season, bonus points alone win nothing, winning games does though and if you can't win, don't lose.

Problem is putting good batting and bowling performances together in the right order and if possible, bat well in first innings rather than chase a game.

One bright spot today was Gloucestershire beating Warwickshire to put the latter under pressure to which I hope they succumb.

Naturally I don't wish Gloucestershire any ill-will until next week .
 

Newby

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Despite Gloucestershire winning today they can't move above bottom place even if, heaven forbid, they get the full 24 points against us next week.

Still a tiny bit of jeopardy next week but hopefully a few bonus points and lack of them elsewhere will make us safe quite early in the game.
 

DaveMorton

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It might be a good idea not to lose to Gloucestershire. Then there's the impending points deduction for the hand drier that doesn't work in the toilets near the Hutton Gates.
 

Donnylad

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deduction for the hand drier that doesn't work in the toilets near the Hutton Gates .......... indeed! A chap has to be able to wash his hands.

The overarching concern remains - as it has for at least the last 2 seasons - our best players play elsewhere, they seem reluctant to play for us even when available, we have no obvious recruitment/development strategy (and this looked the case before the Rafiq issues), the A D of C is more obvious by his absence than presence, the club management of day to day matters (like the website and communications) is laughable and so on.

We cannot just blame Rafiq, Lord Patel, previous leadership, or any one person or group. However, unless there is a radical and energetic 'new' leadership on and off the field, I can't help feeling that next season we will be saying the same things.

PS. Any news about the Chief Exec interviews? 'Decided not to appoint at this stage'? Still tossing a coin to see which one to select for the hot seat? Candidates withdrawn? Other answers on a postcard to LP care of Headingley ... or wherever he is at the moment.
 

Karma

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deduction for the hand drier that doesn't work in the toilets near the Hutton Gates .......... indeed! A chap has to be able to wash his hands.

The overarching concern remains - as it has for at least the last 2 seasons - our best players play elsewhere, they seem reluctant to play for us even when available, we have no obvious recruitment/development strategy (and this looked the case before the Rafiq issues), the A D of C is more obvious by his absence than presence, the club management of day to day matters (like the website and communications) is laughable and so on.

We cannot just blame Rafiq, Lord Patel, previous leadership, or any one person or group. However, unless there is a radical and energetic 'new' leadership on and off the field, I can't help feeling that next season we will be saying the same things.

PS. Any news about the Chief Exec interviews? 'Decided not to appoint at this stage'? Still tossing a coin to see which one to select for the hot seat? Candidates withdrawn? Other answers on a postcard to LP care of Headingley ... or wherever he is at the moment.
I think the applications and CV's for chief exec have to be sent to the ECB. They then toss a coin, look at tea leaves or spin a bat to decide.
 

Newby

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Perhaps all the short-listed applicants thought better of it and withdrew. It's not going to be the most comfortable job in the world over the next couple of years.

Deep in debt, probable points deduction or even forced relegation to come, unhappy players wanting to leave, boardroom chaos, incompetent staff and an unprecedented decline in membership.

And I'm looking on the bright side.
 

byased

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I didn't have access to the Members Pavilion today, and was fleeced out of a £20 note on arrival which stung, but I actually quite enjoyed today. Though I have to say that outside of said Pavilion, the Oval is an absolute hole of a ground, with none of the charisma or history of Lords and none of the personality that the fans bring to the other main test grounds.

We lost. I am perhaps a little more sanguine about that than I was this time yesterday; we battled today, as I think we have for the most part this season, save at the very end when Tatts embarrassed himself, and us by bowling two overs of the most utter filth, but were simply outgunned (it was interesting watching the Surrey bowlers from side on just how much more carry they were getting than our rather military medium attack). Lyth continued to play well, even as TKC and Fraine departed, but got what looked a very lively nut from Kemar Roach. From there, Tatts and Bess tried to dig in, but we were gradually picked off.

An interesting point was made by a Surrey supporter with whom I spent a perfectly amicable hour; we've lost five games this year - four have been against Surrey and Hampshire, counties with strong, deep playing squads augmented from abroad and few international calls to worry them, and one has been by a single run (or, if we are brutal, 3 inches of George Hill's boot) against Essex. That's a perfect snapshot of where we have been - a level below the top two, especially without our first choice batting - but right up with everyone else. If we can get back to focussing on cricket, and if there is money left for another signing or two, then I don't think any of this is terminal.

Surrey are deserving Champions. I do though want to nix this idea of it being a home grown side. Burns, Patel, Pope and Lawes are. But they have a Saffer, an Aussie and a Barbadian, as well as acquisitions from Lancashire, Essex, Somerset and Durham - there are some other god home grown players in their squad (the reserve keeper Smith is quality, as are Gus Atkinson and Amar Virdi) but also a lot more imports like the Zimbabwean Currans. Its a far cry from our ten home grown players.

Of course, my mood improved more on the journey home as I watched Gloucestershire beat Youse Bears. Not going to lie, I would be very happy if they were to take up the second relegation spot!
I was there until about 2 o clock. Moved on when Bess was out, not that I though he was going to bat all day. Lyth was probably the only hope of that, and he never really looked comfortable.
Strangely TM, I tend to have the opposite view on the grounds. The Oval, I find very welcoming. The pavilion is excellent, and the newish stand to the right of the pavilion is well thought out. It has a nice bar with tropical style plants, and an area where people can sit and work on laptops etc. Forward thinking rather than being stuck in the past.
I had breakfast and lunch in the long room bit on the first floor. On each occasion I got into conversation with various members, who were good company. They were all very open minded about change, whilst enjoying the facilities they had at their disposal. The stewards likewise were very pleasant. I contrast that with my odd visits to Lords, where access to the pavilion is very restricted, and only helped if you dress like something from the 1920s and are accompanied by a freemason.
Surrey bowlers were good, and the team generally looked organised and competent, and if that is anything like what they have been doing all season, then they are worthy league winners. Crowd was sparce, but pavilion well populated, possibly in anticipation of winning the league.

I saw that Tattersall bowled, which to my mind is wholly disrespectful to the opposition. It also shows a defeatist attitude. I know we were 99% certain to lose, but suspect Brian Close would have at least made some effort before bringing Jimmy Binks on.
 
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