Surrey (1) v Yorkshire (6) at the Oval 20-23 Sept 2022.

DaveMorton

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Off-the-field is not the players' problem, unless they are the racist Neanderthals some would have us believe.
The new coaching set up is what it is. They didn't sack their predecessors, and they didn't appoint themselves. I would say they have started okay, given the circumstances. We don't know who made the ridiculous Patto decision.
 

Karma

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If you were another county, looking for a steady, economical bowler who could hold an end AND take wickets in CC, you'd be tempted to offer a contract to Patto for a year (renewable)

I say offer, because it might be too late. If you are good enough, you are young enough, isn't that right Mr. Stevens?
 
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tbsteve

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I would definitely! though the opposite of Stevens - I'd give Patto a CC only contract, and Stevens a one day only contract. In fact sign them both up and get the complete package!
 

Donnylad

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... see previous posting elsewhere for just that suggestion!!

Patto - gormless decision, whatever the reason - the replacements are (i) off line, length and has some difficulty with the no-ball rule and (ii) seems to have a possibly knackering back injury. What have we said before about fast bowlers and backs ..... two of our other possibles are also on the 'sick note' team. Thompson is bowling a lot of 4 balls ... thank goodness for Coad ... and Patto ... and Hill.

Why does Tatts not give Hill a bowl until everyone has had their turn .... 3rd change again today .... coach's orders??
 

tbsteve

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Hard to argue against 3rd change today. Coad and Thommo seem the only two in the team capable of opening the attack. Patto looks the next best and should be 1st change. We've just bought Mike so what kind of sign would it be to him if we brought him on after our opening batter had bowled?
 

DaveMorton

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Coad, Patterson, Hill - our only three f-c bowlers, at present. Thompson's stats add up, both season and career, but he has bowled dross since CC resumed. From the Big Bash at the end of 2021, to The Hundred recently, he probably has had enough, emotionally if not physically.

Bess will come again, I am sure, though the place of an orthodox spinner in modern cricket is unsure. They only ever get to bowl on flat tracks, with short boundaries, and in cold weather. They never get a raging bunsen to fill their boots, in the way seamers get green-tops, or batsmen get roads.

On the plus side, against Essex and again today, Ben Coad looks to be back near his best, which is very good. Good bowling, good news.
 

Karma

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He is called John and dislikes the nickname. If he really is banned from Headingley, that is a disgrace.

On the game at The Oval, Surrey are batting on a very green-looking pitch (Tatters toss), and Coad has already got Burns. Live stream now on YouTube, a bit late. Lovely day and set fair for the match, according to commentary.

Mike in for Revis, and Bess back for Shutt, so the Yorkshire-born contingent down to eight + TKC Yorkshire raised.
I never call him by his nickname, and he means no harm. In fact, he's a supporter of Yorkshire just like everyone else. I can't imagine what it would be like to be deprived of live sport. It is as you say a disgrace especially when it's nearly his whole life, hope common sense can prevail and soon.
 

tbsteve

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Thommo has good spells and bad - he took Browne's wicket in the first over of both innings against Essex and looked a genuine threat on many occasions - in fact in the first innings he looked like the one most likely to take wickets and delivered with 4 top order scalps - five in the game is not dross! But his radar sometimes seems off. On the stumps, he looks a threat, but then sometimes he comes in short, not really bouncers, just hit me balls. That one over last week that went for 20 was about 1/3 of the runs they scored off him in the 1st innings and seems to cloud the overall impression. Today, he looked off, often a bit short and easy to hit.
 

Newby

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Thommo unfortunately has spells where he goes for a lot of runs in a very few overs, like he did today. I think it's borne out of frustration when he goes trying too hard for a wicket.

Overall, I think we ended up a couple of wickets short on the day, and they ended up with 60 odd runs more than they should have.

Hopefully the 10:30 start and the imminent new ball can stop Overton and co from doing too much damage. Surrey have managed 300+ in the first innings of every game this season and we aren't going to stop them tomorrow. I would hate to see them reach 350 though.

Fingers crossed Lyth and a couple of others have a decent day with the bat.

Early days but elsewhere you could make a case that the three teams below us, Warwickshire, Somerset and Kent are all well placed in their respective games.
 

Hawke

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well 4 wickets for Patto and 3 catches for TKC.....BM has a shocker, MM has a back stress problem and SM plays for Pakistan but does little....a snapshot and some of the players may be making a point...whilst others might come good...but not a good snapshot
 

Karma

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It's been said several times already, sign up Patto. C'mon whoever makes the decisions at YCCC, put your hand up,admit his 'sacking' has been premature, admit he's still more than good enough, do it for the team, do it for Yorkshire.

Oh but you'd have to admit something else as well. The membership and supporters are getting a bit fed up of being led by a blinkered horse of a different colour.
 

Donnylad

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Mike ..... yes .... well .... he did not look like the bowler I had seen before.

He started his third spell dropping the ball short, frequently in his own third and Pope, Clark and Overton simply smashed him square, both sides.
In amongst the absolute dross there were some really good deliveries - especially later on - if the lad has something, then he needs to be coached/helped/persuaded to develop that. We bemoaned Mr Gabriel's performance but I think this was at least as bad.
I didn't see much help, encouragement or chat for/to Mike when he was bowling - I may have missed it, I didn't see all the play.

Hill was the most economical, the previous comments about Thompson and Patto sum it up.

Patto did Pope (who does look the business) with a beauty that beat the attacking shot. Less pleasing was Pope's initial response when Patto came up to shake his hand as he left the wicket. Probabaly annoyed at getting out but ......
 

Karma

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Yes not good from Mike. He's ours now (well technically after the season's end). I'm going to be charitable because we need him to perform. I think nerves might have got to him, they would to me.

I recall at school when having swimming lessons being asked if I could dive. I said I could and hey presto I was in the House swimming team. The school swimming sports day was at Rowntree's Open-Air swimming pool, adjacent to Rowntree's Park in York. Knew them both well.

Unfortunately, I didn't realise that I would be expected to dive off the high board, not the side of the pool or the springboard that I was used to. First time I'd stood on the high board was on sports day and to make it worse I had an audience. At the time it seemed terrifyingly high . i almost climbed down but I'd have to be pretty brave to do that. So gritted my teeth, moved to the edge and dived except I bombed, not literally but not far off. After that first dive, I was ok and off the lower board it went well, nerves had gone

Well, Mike has dived off his own high board for the first time, should settle down and perform to his best ability with the help of coaches and teammates. We're going to need him
 

Newby

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It will take time with Mike, he has come from a very poor Leicestershire outfit where there appears to be a complete breakdown in the dressing room in terms of how to play a 4 day game of cricket.

I have my views about why he was picked for the team in this match, and they don't include him being ready to make his Yorkshire debut in terms of his form with the cricket ball.

It is what it is though, and it may well be for the best in the grand scheme of things.

I hope we are successful in dismissing Surrey early this morning and don't need to bowl him again this innings. Perhaps if he can get away a little with the bat he may feel better about life and relax a little.

In terms of the match, it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised and to see us getting at least a couple of batting points later today with power to add.
 

DaveMorton

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Day 2, a wide and a wicket for Ben Mike, then Hill gets Overton. Blatant dissent from the batsman, but rules of behaviour don't apply to Surrey. That's the good news. The bad is that the ball is doing everything this morning.

Roach out! Huge movement off the seam. Anyway, we've got 3 points. That might be all we get.
 

Newby

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Bringing Patterson on so he could go for a 5 wicket haul hasn't worked so far.

I'm fascinated by the Essex v Lancashire match this morning so watching that and listening to Yorks.
 

Newby

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Just trying the Surrey live stream. The commentary is total tripe.

Not much Lyth could do about that one but it looks pretty difficult out there.
 

DaveMorton

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Commentary: currently there's a bloke who knows nothing about cricket explaining the game to someone who knows he knows nothing about cricket. Bizarre.
 

Newby

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Yet again we have fallen short, we should have at least been able to avoid the follow-on. I've been out and haven't seen the wickets but I bet 2 or 3 of them were poor shots.
 
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