Surrey (1) v Yorkshire (6) at the Oval 20-23 Sept 2022.

Newby

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Not sure that we are going to hear anything on this from the club until the morning of the match given the events of tomorrow, though that might be true under normal circumstances anyway.

Possible starting XI:

Lyth, Bean, Hill, Root, TKC, Tattersal, Bess, Mike, Thompson, Coad, Fisher.

They may well hold Mike and Fisher back until the final game and I've heard nothing of Root's availability.

Elsewhere:

Essex (4) v Lancashire (3) at Chelmsford
Glos (10 v Warwickshire (9) at Bristol
Hants (2) v Kent (8) at Southampton
Somerset (7) v Northants (5) at Taunton
 

Donnylad

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I suppose Mike will play - rather than Revis - great reward for some sterling work this summer.

I only saw a bit of Mike when he fielded sub .. but ... he was not the whippet-like chap who ran in for Leics season before this - far from it.
 

tbsteve

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Looks like Bess in for Shutt. I'll guess Mike for Revis which is a shame, and I don't think it strengthens us but would be happy to be proved wrong.

No Root or Fisher
 

Newby

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No mention of Root but an intimation that Foakes and Pope will probably turn out for Surrey.

Just about says it all, both in terms of ambition and lack of it, and the current relationship of the players with the club.
 

Karma

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No mention of Root but an intimation that Foakes and Pope will probably turn out for Surrey.

Just about says it all, both in terms of ambition and lack of it, and the current relationship of the players with the club.
And communication from the club to members and other supporters.
 

Newby

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Surrey have named a 15 man squad:

Hashim Amla, Rory Burns, Gus Atkinson, Jordan Clark, Tom Curran, Ben Foakes, Ben Geddes, Tom Lawes, Jamie Overton, Ryan Patel, Ollie Pope, Kemar Roach, Jamie Smith, Cameron Steel, Dan Worrall.

Very much a problem of who to leave out rather than our own team selection.
 

Donnylad

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Bess, Bean, Coad, Duke, Fraine, Kohler-Cadmore, Lyth, Mike, Patterson, Revis, Tattersall (c and w/k), Thompson.

Good news for Duke there and (as already said) Revis.

Question 'Where are our England players?' Does the Coach know? Does the A D of C know?

Stable door after horse has bolted Number 1. (From the YCCC website.)

We have an exciting opportunity for a Safeguarding Officer to join our team, reporting into the Director of People and Culture. (??? ... who? what?)

The role will influence and lead safeguarding operations within the county club and will work closely with the safeguarding officer working across the Yorkshire County Board and Cricket Foundation. (Does this make sense? Working closely with him/herself?)

We are seeking candidates with the following experience and skills;
• Professional experience of safeguarding gained through relevant undertaking and management of casework e.g. police, probation work, social work, education, and other sporting bodies. (... anyone from anywhere will do ..)
• Understanding of the relevant legislation and government guidance.
• Experience of building relationships with key stakeholders.
• Ability to challenge poor practice and effect change. (This might have been useful a few years ago ... providing you can see the poor practice in the first place ....)
• Experience of writing and implementing policies and procedures. (Good luck with that one.)
• Excellent communication and interpersonal skills.

Salary 28k - 33k.

The job desc talks about children and vulnerable adults ....... As a senior teacher / school governor and now as volunteer manager I have had some high level training, Level 3+ and some experience in using that in practice and the phrase 'children and vulnerable adults' isn't used a lot ... we simply say 'everyone'.
 
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DaveMorton

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There is one 'vulnerable adult', who was present at Weetwood the other week (and is well known to all Yorkshire supporters) who (allegedly) has been banned from attending Headingley unless his carer is present. I speak of an individual for whom attending a cricket match is (perhaps) more important than it is for any of us (perhaps because he has little else in his life?).

Much guessing/conjecture on my part. The fact is that this individual has not been seen at Headingley, when previously he was pretty much ever present.
 

DaveMorton

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On the non-appearance of Root, one of the following must apply:
1. He wanted to play, but was prevented by the ECB
2. He didn't want to play
3. He was available and YCCC did not select him
4. He was unavailable for some other reason.
 

DaveMorton

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On the search for a Safeguarding Officer:
We can afford one of these, a BS appointment, but we can't afford to give our best bowler another season?

On the subject of BS:
Has anyone tried the 'sensory room' yet, or whatever it's called, a little box behind the Trueman Enclosure? What's in it? Which senses does it stimulate? Is it better than sitting on the toilet, or a walk in the park? Can you see the cricket from in there?
 

Newby

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On the non-appearance of Root, one of the following must apply:
1. He wanted to play, but was prevented by the ECB
2. He didn't want to play
3. He was available and YCCC did not select him
4. He was unavailable for some other reason.
1. He isn't a bowler who needs protecting from injury so I can't see the ECB objecting to his playing, at least on cricketing grounds.

It's probably a combination of 2,3 & 4. Let's face it, he's a great player but hardly a dynamic character, and he has probably been 'advised' to keep his distance from Yorkshire, while Yorkshire may well have been advised to do the same.

TKC, or perhaps Hill can play a decent innings, but I think we are sunk without Root to glue our batting together and see off a strong attack on their pitch.

For the sake of the integrity of the competition, and in fairness to Hampshire, I hope we can somehow manage to be competitive.
 

Karma

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There is one 'vulnerable adult', who was present at Weetwood the other week (and is well known to all Yorkshire supporters) who (allegedly) has been banned from attending Headingley unless his carer is present. I speak of an individual for whom attending a cricket match is (perhaps) more important than it is for any of us (perhaps because he has little else in his life?).

Much guessing/conjecture on my part. The fact is that this individual has not been seen at Headingley, when previously he was pretty much ever present.
I think I know who this is, I too have not seen him at Headingley but have seen and spoken to him on 2 or 3 visits to Weetwood - at the last visit he was telling everyone he's getting married. (I had my doubts but if it is true, I would be concerned) He was sitting on benches on the perimeter directly opposite the pavilion and when Ben Coad was strolling round, he stopped to have a word. In fact, everyone will talk to him (sometimes you don't have any option). I saw people at Weetwood ordering his taxis, helping him to it and generally 'looking after him'

I must confess I don't actually know his real name, but I do know his nickname. He's pleasant but don't usually sit adjacent to him all day.

I have a vegetarian diet but don't eat cheese every day if you get my drift!
 

DaveMorton

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He is called John and dislikes the nickname. If he really is banned from Headingley, that is a disgrace.

On the game at The Oval, Surrey are batting on a very green-looking pitch (Tatters toss), and Coad has already got Burns. Live stream now on YouTube, a bit late. Lovely day and set fair for the match, according to commentary.

Mike in for Revis, and Bess back for Shutt, so the Yorkshire-born contingent down to eight + TKC Yorkshire raised.
 

DaveMorton

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A fairly even morning, 82 for 3. If only Yorkshire could find a bowler who can get out the really good players, the Cook, the Amla, etc.

Rumour has it there's a bloke from the Driffield area who might fit the bill, if we can persuade him to join us.
 

Donnylad

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82 for 3 - Mike has just bowled 4 overs of dross for 27 and 3 nb's.

Sorry .... we hired him for his batting???? He look out of condition to say the least.
 

Newby

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That last wicket certainly helped to even things up a bit. I worry about green looking wickets, we've been suckered into putting the home team in to bat before on pitches that have turned out to be much better than they looked.

Not a great start for Ben Mike, I hope it's just nerves and he can come back stronger.
 

DaveMorton

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Jack Brooks and Liam Plunkett both bowled worse than that on their joint debut. It was this that made management decide that Patto must play, and obviously Sidebottom and Bresnan (when available), which meant only one place out of two for those two, most of the time.

Ben Mike has pace, and he swung a couple away. That's ability; the rest is coaching and practice. If he's good enough, and if the coaches are good enough, he will be an asset. Fisher and Mike, with Coad and Thompson to follow, could be okay. There's also the Notts / Kent lad, if he recovers from his serious injury, and there's Dom Leech also, so it could be fine. Hill is almost there, anyway, as a bowler, and Revis has done enough to show ability, to go with his physical advantages, plus good batting in both cases.
 

tbsteve

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Well you're more hopeful than me. Revis was ok early on when no one knew him, but hasn't hasn't excelled since. Mike's figures don't jump out at me as someone to be excited about. Milnes seems ok, but again not someone who has that extra pace or guile. We seem to do well at collecting rmf players who are ok but not great. I'd take Fisher/Coad/Thommo/Patto with Hill as back up, but Patto is off and Fisher injury prone. Leech would be the one with potential to excite me, but he's probably behind Coad/Fisher/Thommo/Milnes/Mike/Revis now.

OG has international experience and time will tell whether his forte is working with internationals who need the odd bit of advice and encouragement, or youngsters who need serious input and analysis.

My mood is probably coloured by whats happening where I live which is depressing anyway - but I'm just underwhelmed by the club at the moment - poor overseas signings which seem to be motivated by showing how much we've changed rather than the ability of the signing, weak coaching set up with several players seeming to go backwards or being forced into new roles, and a hierarchy that has heavy handedly dealt with true servants of the club in a despicable way.

In my opinion we've gone backwards from last year, and looking at who's leaving vs coming, I don't think we've reached the bottom yet.
 

tbsteve

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Two in an over for Patto. Would it be too much to ask the management to think again? Of course they'd need to be humble in admitting they may have misjudged it and that has been in short supply for quite some time.
 
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