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DaveMorton

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I used to fight Seth over this. Cricket should be human, earthy, a bit anarchic. A spot of honest cheating never hurt anyone. Sportsmen always cheat. The Hand of God - how good that was! Dominic Cork's hit-wicket was a classic. A bit of tactical running on the pitch, a bit of ball tampering here and there...small potatoes.

I don't claim to be logical. I would never, ever, have cheated a batsman out - except once I did and was / am still deeply ashamed of it, fifty years on. I would not have sledged nastily, and I never did. I would not have disputed a decision against me, and I never did. But a bit of cheating with the ball? Come on! I played in a team that did a sneaky ball change once. Brilliant.

These 'incidents' - the Atherton sand in the pocket, the Smith / Bancroft / Warner sandpaper, the John Lever Brylcreem. These were all blown totally out of proportion. Give them the worst ball out of the box and get on with the game.

Of all these things, I thought the Jelly Bean incident was the worst. That was hugely played down. England players tossed a few sweets onto the pitch. The Indian batsman brushed them away. Then they tossed a few more. I have to say that I would have gone berserk if I was that batsman. Which was, of course, the intention of Michael Vaughan's team. Utterly out of order, in my book, and should have resulted in mass sackings and suspensions and fines.
 

Karma

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I forgot to add that as it was Smith who was involved in Sandpapergate , I'd like all his cricket caps to be burned in front of him so that he could taste the bitter fumes of his own incompetence.

Well nor really and I'm no Seth. I am aware however that there has always been professionalism , playing hard, bending the rules and cheating. My personal view is that the whole Aussie team knew what was going on with the sandpaper. they tried to disguise it in a very amaturish way

For some years though we had to put up with 'Whingeing Pomms' complaints about us from the Colonials and there had been lines that could not be crossed in the game. Only trouble was that apparently the Australians made a lot of it up and only they knew where the lines were. Well they got caught big time . Blubbing like that Smith to quote " it was the worst acting I've ever seen " Now Captain Smith again .This stinks. What does it say to the next generation of cricketers?
 

Hawke

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I used to fight Seth over this. Cricket should be human, earthy, a bit anarchic. A spot of honest cheating never hurt anyone. Sportsmen always cheat. The Hand of God - how good that was! Dominic Cork's hit-wicket was a classic. A bit of tactical running on the pitch, a bit of ball tampering here and there...small potatoes.

I don't claim to be logical. I would never, ever, have cheated a batsman out - except once I did and was / am still deeply ashamed of it, fifty years on. I would not have sledged nastily, and I never did. I would not have disputed a decision against me, and I never did. But a bit of cheating with the ball? Come on! I played in a team that did a sneaky ball change once. Brilliant.

These 'incidents' - the Atherton sand in the pocket, the Smith / Bancroft / Warner sandpaper, the John Lever Brylcreem. These were all blown totally out of proportion. Give them the worst ball out of the box and get on with the game.

Of all these things, I thought the Jelly Bean incident was the worst. That was hugely played down. England players tossed a few sweets onto the pitch. The Indian batsman brushed them away. Then they tossed a few more. I have to say that I would have gone berserk if I was that batsman. Which was, of course, the intention of Michael Vaughan's team. Utterly out of order, in my book, and should have resulted in mass sackings and suspensions and fines.
What was jelly beans all about? I have only a passing interest in international cricket. Sounds amusing unless there was something nasty behind it.
 

Karma

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I've got nothing against jelly beans or the current Indian test team (well Kohli's brilliant but a bit too arrogant) but throwing them on the wicket solely to distract the batsman is cheating and a waste of jelly beans though I don't eat them ( I think they used to use an insect based polishing material, shellac from crushed beetle shells and beeswax to get the shine on the coating)

However it's not clever and not subtle, It's blatant cheating

Subtle is what Nottingham's Taylor used to do at Trent Bridge before he had to retire from playing due to his heart condition. He would halfway through an over stop the bowler and jump over the wicket near to the batsman to field at the other side . Saw him do it repeatedly .That's monotonous but subtle . Haven't heard much about him recently though , liked him as a batsman and in spite of the above he took some great catches
 

Newby

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I've got nothing against jelly beans or the current Indian test team (well Kohli's brilliant but a bit too arrogant) but throwing them on the wicket solely to distract the batsman is cheating and a waste of jelly beans though I don't eat them ( I think they used to use an insect based polishing material, shellac from crushed beetle shells and beeswax to get the shine on the coating)

However it's not clever and not subtle, It's blatant cheating

Subtle is what Nottingham's Taylor used to do at Trent Bridge before he had to retire from playing due to his heart condition. He would halfway through an over stop the bowler and jump over the wicket near to the batsman to field at the other side . Saw him do it repeatedly .That's monotonous but subtle . Haven't heard much about him recently though , liked him as a batsman and in spite of the above he took some great catches
After losing his position as England's chief scout recently James Taylor has been appointed batting coach at his first county Leicestershire. He has a job on there if last season is anything to go by.
 

Newby

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It's probably one competition too far for me so I haven't listened to the new SA20 commentary on talksport. According to reports Darren Gough, who I had hoped was giving his full attention to his job with Yorkshire, was commentating and mentioned how he had tried to sign Ollie Stone but was pipped to him by Notts. Stone was 'just out of reach' he is quoted as saying which I suppose means we couldn't pay him enough.

For the sake of the bowlers we did manage to sign I think he might have been wiser to keep that to himself.
 

Tykemania

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I think we are best clear of Stone - not that he is not a very good bowler, but his injury record, T20 commitments and the protective shield of the England Team would make him no more regular of a guest than Messers BRB.
 

Newby

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I think we are best clear of Stone - not that he is not a very good bowler, but his injury record, T20 commitments and the protective shield of the England Team would make him no more regular of a guest than Messers BRB.
I agree entirely that Stone may well have been a nightmare signing and good luck to the physio team at Notts. I'm more concerned that DG, not unusually, couldn't keep his thoughts to himself.

I hope Matt Milnes turns out to be a good signing and perhaps knowing he wasn't first choice won't bother him at all. No need for it though, in my view.
 

DaveMorton

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Jack Brooks wasn't our first choice. We wanted Glamorgan's Harris, who went to Middlesex and hardly played.

I've been a fan of Olly Stone since I twice saw him play for Northants against Lancashire. Not surprised a rich County went for him, but then he got some freak injury, and has hardly been fit since. There are Fisher parallels. They are both young enough, and certainly talented enough, to be big players still. Surprisingly, the ECB are aware of this!

Let's hope Milnes is the new Brooks, but he picked up a serious injury at the back end of last season, so I'll believe him when I see him. It might have been sensible for Gough to keep his mouth shut, but you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Still, Milnes must know there are other bowlers who are better than he is.
 

Tykemania

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I think we all think the same - that Milnes is potentially a good squad player but not a signing to really excite. Hopefully he will prove to be another Brooks in that regard!
 
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