Rugby Football 22-23

DaveMorton

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Many years ago, I refereed a game between Sedgley Colts and some club from down the East Lancs Road. Sedgley had an immense front row that year, including a lad who played for England Colts. The visitors were getting absolutely smashed in the scrums. These days they would be penalised - for not being good enough! - back then they just got smashed into the mud.

The pack leader did his best to keep up his team's spirit, but shouting, "Come on, Newts, we're playing against a load of puffs!" may not have been a good choice of words. I had a quiet word - please encourage your lads, but you really can't say that - and all was fine. Most rugby players are okay, if you treat them respectfully. Marler (correct spelling) is a big WUM, and there are few shrinking violets in the Prem front rows. Hopefully, the few real nutters have been weeded out. Remember Mills, who played RL for Widnes, I think? Psycho. There was a Welsh lock, Brian Thomas, who had a penchant for biting.

Newts = Newton-le-Willows
 

Newby

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Marler dealt with, two week ban with a further four weeks suspended.

Can the ECB look at how things are done in other sports and get b****y well on with it.
 

Hawke

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Back to rugby union. And back to the future....I used my mobile for the first time to pay for entrance, for anything! It worked! And Ilkley used their new electronic scoreboard for the first time, putting my former neighbour and his pal out of a job!
Both Ilkley and visitors Scunthorpe had lost their last 5 matches. Ilkley, thankfully, edged a match where defences were on top and mistakes were aplenty. 14-7. Some breathing space for Ilkley at the bottom.
We are weaker than last season but hopefully will keep our position in this better division. Oh James Lowes, the RL legend, was helping coach Ilkley. His son Joe captains the team.
 

Newby

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I'm going for the glass half-full attitude after Leeds Tykes were narrowly beaten at Cinderford. Little bits I've seen it was old style, heavy pitch and lashing it down on and off all game. A losing bonus point is better than nothing but they could certainly do with a win next week when struggling Esher come to visit.

The coach Jon Callard was bemoaning that no decision has yet been made on promotion or relegation at the end of the season yet due to the fallout from Wasp and Worcester higher up the food chain.
 

DaveMorton

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I didn't bother going to Preston today. The last time I was there I was told to 'crawl back to your Manchester slum' on my way out. I was so annoyed I went North on the motorway instead of South, and the junctions are about 10 miles apart there! That was about 15 years ago, I guess. That sort of behaviour is completely atypical of rugby matches.

Pleased to say we won today, as we upset our social betters 46-7. Not bad for a bunch of kids from the slums. I thought of my late friend Bob Sharpe. "A game of two halves," he would have said, "and we won both of them." Bad man, Sharpie!

Donny lost, Hull lost and Tykes lost, at higher levels.

At our level, there was a brilliant win for Huddersfield at Chester. I like Huddersfield, as a club. Nice people. Harrogate lost by 50-odd points at home to Fylde, and next week they travel to play Sedgley. They look doomed. Rotherham won at basement Blaydon, Ionians beat Wharfedale, and Otley beat Sheffield. Sheff Tigers beat Tynedale, who looked so strong at Park Lane when we played them.

Big match next week is Fylde v Ionians. I'm not sure which I want to win. If Fylde win it makes it a two-horse race at the top, admittedly still a long way from the winning post. If Ionians win, it gives Sedgley a cushion over both of them, but we still have to play them both, and both away. I'm still not entirely sure I want to see us promoted. This league is so much fun, with so many (relatively) local games.
 

Hawke

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I didn't bother going to Preston today. The last time I was there I was told to 'crawl back to your Manchester slum' on my way out. I was so annoyed I went North on the motorway instead of South, and the junctions are about 10 miles apart there! That was about 15 years ago, I guess. That sort of behaviour is completely atypical of rugby matches.

Pleased to say we won today, as we upset our social betters 46-7. Not bad for a bunch of kids from the slums. I thought of my late friend Bob Sharpe. "A game of two halves," he would have said, "and we won both of them." Bad man, Sharpie!

Donny lost, Hull lost and Tykes lost, at higher levels.

At our level, there was a brilliant win for Huddersfield at Chester. I like Huddersfield, as a club. Nice people. Harrogate lost by 50-odd points at home to Fylde, and next week they travel to play Sedgley. They look doomed. Rotherham won at basement Blaydon, Ionians beat Wharfedale, and Otley beat Sheffield. Sheff Tigers beat Tynedale, who looked so strong at Park Lane when we played them.

Big match next week is Fylde v Ionians. I'm not sure which I want to win. If Fylde win it makes it a two-horse race at the top, admittedly still a long way from the winning post. If Ionians win, it gives Sedgley a cushion over both of them, but we still have to play them both, and both away. I'm still not entirely sure I want to see us promoted. This league is so much fun, with so many (relatively) local games.
Ha! Enjoyed your PG travelling north tale. I knew the result would please you. Indeed promotion might not profess much enjoyment next season,
 

Newby

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Sad to hear of the death today of Coventry and England's David Duckham. I don't know a lot about the technicalities of Rugby Union, but he was someone who I used to love watching during the late 60's and early 70's.

It might have been his floppy blonde hair and mazy runs but he always looked like the stereotypical Rugby Toff of days gone by. RIP.
 

DaveMorton

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Duckham formed a famous centre pairing with Wharfedale's John Spencer, who provided the steadiness to Duckham's flair, not unlike Carling and Guscott a couple of decades later.

Duckham later excelled as a winger for the British Lions, where his somewhat flaky defence was less of an issue. I'm not sure if he was a toff. Coventry was a pretty down-to-earth club in its glory days, with the likes of Fran Cotton. Winners.
 

Hawke

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re Spencer and Duckham the BBC website had the following

Duckham made his England debut at centre alongside John Spencer.

"It was an honour to be David's partner on the pitch," said Spencer.

"He was one of the greatest ever players with ball in hand and a pivotal part of the Lions success in 1971, the only Lions tour that ever won in New Zealand.

"He was widely respected by players around the world and was a gentle, kind man, with a great sense of humour. David will be hugely missed by all who knew him."
 

Donnylad

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I used to love watching Duckham run, ball usually in both hands and in front of him always looked as if he was just about to serve one way or the other.

I think he spent a lot of time waiting for the ball because the fly halves of the time were old school and put the boot to the ball to gain a lineout chance further up the field.
I well remember seeing (and playing) in games where the two packs spent most of the game trotting between lines out on the same side of the pitch. Short over the shoulder kicks from number 9 or long kicks from 10. Oh the joy when one of the Jessica's dropped the ball and we could go in to the middle of the pitch for a scrum!!
 

DaveMorton

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Oh the joy when the fatties finally let us play with it! Usually when we were trailing by 6 points with five minutes left. It was, of course, only 5 points for a converted try.

So we saw little of the ball, but when we did get it there was lots of space, with no props and stuff in the way. If one did stray, it was like running round a dustbin, but you wouldn't want to be caught by one of them. One duty of the winger was to climb the fence and fetch the ball kicked by 9 and 10. At Broughton Park, where I played, there was a railway line on one side, and an old folks' home on the other - Hough End Playing Fields, where we lower-team players laiked. Nice pitch.
 

Hawke

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After some very poor soccer scores, I tuned in to Drystone Radio to listen to the last 15 mins of West Bridgford v Ilkley. Amazing that a local side is live on the radio. Quite a lot of background interference but gathered that Ilkley were 18-17 down. Looked like a bad afternoon. They missed a late penalty, groan, then a last last minute penalty....groans groans which was re-taken because WB encroached!……and scored 18-20. Big win at the bottom of the table so vital points following the vital points last week. Hooray. Lucky ending.
Was that really Sheffield 0 Otley 0 ?
Followed Leeds Tykes on Twitter. They kept taking the lead then lost late on. Groan. Big defeat against a side they must finish above.....
 

DaveMorton

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Sheffield Tigers v Otley postponed, waterlogged pitch.

I watched Sedge v Harrogate. It was very cold, raining ice, very windy, pitch wet but okay. Harrogate are good enough to compete, and good defensive structure; Sedge have a cutting edge. I left after our 5th try, frozen to the bone. I didn't even take my main camera, took a few non action shots with my little Sony. 39-7 at the end. Fylde beat Ionians 22-15 so, with 14 played, it's Sedge 65, Fylde 62, Ionians 54.

Ionians v Sedge next week. Last chance saloon for them, realistically. Important for us, too.
 

DaveMorton

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I was surprised at the attendance at Sedgley this afternoon. Despite the football 'Manchester derby' and Sale v Toulouse, both on TV - and Sale sold out too, they are becoming worth watching - despite those counterattractions, and that we were playing one of the bottom sides, quite a few hundred turned up at Park Lane. The stand was half full, and both large rooms in the clubhouse were packed at half-time.

Encouraging. I'm due to watch Junior Colts Lancs Cup semi-final tomorrow, SP v Vale of Lune, who were one of the 'Senior Clubs' in the old days, a regular venue for County matches when they were a big deal and a pathway to England. Bill Beaumont's pathway, amongst many others; he never had to move from Fylde to Leicester or Harlequins.

But a player would have to move from a Junior Club (like Sedgley) to have any chance of getting on the County team. We did produce an England player, Tony Bond, who excelled in the legendary North win over the All Blacks at Otley, the game that heralded in the Beaumont era. Tony had had to move, first to Broughton Park then to Sale. Probably a good move, given that the Sedgley Colts manager at the time told him he would never make a centre as long as he had a hole....etc,

He played centre for the North, and for England 6 times, until a badly broken leg ended it for him.
 
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Newby

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Disappointed with the Leeds Tykes score, they really need to win some of these tight games against teams in the bottom half, they aren't going to climb the table on the odd losing bonus point.

They play Chinnor in Oxfordshire next week, Chinnor are in the bottom half but seem to be on a bit of a winning streak. If they can't crack that one then anything less than a 5 point haul against Hull the following week would be a disaster.

They are making me anxious, a bit like Leeds United, I think there's a decent team in there somewhere but they keep losing.
 

DaveMorton

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So, what chance of Sedgley playing Leeds next season. I put Sedgley's chances of promotion at about 40%, and Leeds' chance of being relegated at 60%, being generous.

Working on these guess figures, then the chance of them meeting in Nat 1 would be 16%, and of meeting in Nat 2 36%.
Sedge in Nat 1, Leeds in Nat 2 would be 24%, and things remaining as they are also 24%.

Those percentages will change quickly, especially those of Leeds, if they continue to lose against relegation rivals. They need to beat those, and to pick up bonus points against the rest, plus a couple of wins (as last season) against teams with nothing to play for in March and April.

If Sedge lose at Ionians next Saturday, they will need to beat Fylde, away, in a few weeks. Fylde have already done the double over Ionians. There is very little between the three teams. The beauty of the league is that there are traps for the overconfident everywhere. Have an off day and you can lose.
 

Newby

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We have passed the half way point in the season so still plenty of games to play but my initial confidence that we had found our level is receding a little bit. We did beat Esher at their place so I was kind of hopeful we could do the double over them. As it stands 3 teams will be relegated and it's difficult to see beyond Hull, Leeds and Taunton with a bit of a gap developing. That being said a couple of 5 point wins can make a big difference.

Que Sera Sera as Doris Day would say.

6 nations on the way, which always seems to speed up the weeks until the clocks go forward, and the cricket season gets very close.

I'm surprised they are once again spreading it out over nearly two months, well 7 weeks anyway.

With a World Cup coming up later in the year I thought this would be a good opportunity to replicate tournament conditions and play every week.
 

DaveMorton

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We like to put our sportsmen through the treadmill, don't we? World Cup it's a necessity, but the two rest weeks in the Six Nations are a blessing...and a compromise. It will get worse when South Africa come in.

I see Australia have sacked their coach and appointed....EDDIE. On a long contract, too! Two World Cups.
 

Newby

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I was thinking more that a tighter timescale in the 6 nations would allow the teams involved to face the kind of things they will encounter in the WC in terms of being together and bonding as a squad, dealing with injuries, trying new combinations and totally immersing themselves in the competition for 5 weeks. If they are to go all the way in the WC they won't be getting a weekends off.

Good news about Eddie Jones, love him or hate him he brings something to the game and Australia certainly do need 'something'.
 

Donnylad

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... the late Charlie Drake - 'Charles Drake, casual labourer from Weybridge' (sacked from every job he was sent to by Mr Pooh (Pugh) of the labour exchange always returning there for another one.
He also sang 'My boomerang won't come back'.
The RFU sent Mr Jones off with 7 weeks paid notice, he has returned to Aussie to take over a new job. .....

... will this boomerang come back and bite the RFU???
 
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