Rugby Football 22-23

Newby

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On a slightly different note ... I have just 'watched' by text update on the BBC, the second half of England v NZ.

Gripping. However I now see where all the idiots who make such stupid comments on Cricinfo go when there isn't any cricket to whine about.

I wonder if any of them have ever lifter a bat or laced up a pair of boots? It is apparently Eddie Jones fault that England give away stupid penalties and knock the ball on 5 metres out. None of the Jones knockers have made a comment during the last 20 minutes ... wonder why? Eddie didn't score the tries or kick the conversions either so I suppose that evens itself out! ..... not!
I was listening to the 2nd half on talksport and that certainly was a breathless last 10 minutes. Perhaps DM watched it and he can give us an appraisal of how the match unfolded.

Talking of Crecy and Agincourt the referee was a Frenchman who sounded a little heavy handed according to commentary.
 

Hawke

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'Watched' on the BBC Sport website. Gripping fightback indeed. Well done.
The RL WC final should have been Aus v NZ. The Aus women were far too good for everyone else. Are they the only professionals? Don't know.
There are no plans for any future RL Test matches V Aus or NZ, partly, I read, because the Aus RL Players' Union are trying to protect their members interests. Noble aim but wasn't a factor in us shifting to summer so we could have Test with them in the off-season?
 

DaveMorton

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I have just watched back-to-back-to-back Internationals, with Georgia (playing in white, of course) beating the Welsh. I didn't hear much of Calon Lân today, and not much of Sweet Chariot until England finally woke up when it was almost too late.

England played like robots, as usual, and a fair criticism of Eddie...until their brains were finally activated for the final ten minutes. Perhaps Eddie mislaid the password. Up to then it was all Maori quick thinking, heads up stuff, with dazzling footwork thrown in. Suddenly, it became native troops being routed by the Red Coats.

Ireland v Convicts in a moment. What an afternoon!

Odd how we make comparisons with war, when sport is really the opposite, a celebration of civilisation and freedom and youth.
 

Newby

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I suppose Georgia beating Wales was a bit of a bonus.

In the RL Australia were far too strong for every other team, except for New Zealand. Perhaps Samoa saved us an embarrassing mauling this afternoon.
 

DaveMorton

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Sunday's France v Japan was possibly the most entertaining game of all the Autumn series. Not entertaining in the 'chucking it around' sense, though there was plenty of that, but unremittingly hard and skilful rugby. Good interview with Shaun Edwards, too

All that's left, now, is Wales v Australia and England v S Africa, next Saturday, which more importantly features Huddersfield v Sedgley Park.
 

Hawke

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Stayed home yesterday but if I had gone to Otley would have seen a really good win over Rotherham and if to Leeds Tykes, an exciting draw (a win would obviously have been desirable). Hope only 2 go down! Should have ventured out......Ilkley went to Driffield with 4 or 5 key players missing and lost quite heavily. Hope only 2 go down! The internationals were stand out. Another RU fightback, this time Aus. Eddie's England are struggling. SP and Fylde march on.
 

DaveMorton

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I thought it was impossible for any sporting event to be as bad as Eng v USA soccer. Well it wasn't as bad, but our RU lads (Eddie's Robots) had a damn good try at it, and so did the referee, but neither of them could prevent a S African moment of magic and a memorable try.

There's a moment in The Karate Kid when the old Japanese teaches young Daniel the 'crane technique'. "If do right, no can defence," he says. So it is with the rugby winger's in-out move, the greatest glory of the game, in my opinion, and rarely done more gloriously than by Kurt-Lee Arendse at Twickenham. No can defence. Not even an opponent as good as Marcus Smith.

Good game at Huddersfield, a few hours earlier, under the fabulous Lockwood Viaduct, where Sedgley won 38-26. Contender for beautiful rugby ground awards.
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Newby

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Pleased I didn't in the end go for the Amazon prime offer and was spared the England v South Africa game.

I thought yesterday was a game the Tykes should have won, and my initial optimism is being tested, especially facing high flyers Cambridge next week.

No offense DM but I hope we don't end up swapping leagues with Sedgely for next season. Playing each other would add some interest though.

Sad news that Doddie Weir has succumbed to MND, so soon after the heart-warming optimism of the recent fund raising efforts too.
 

DaveMorton

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We're perhaps a bit torn about promotion. Not sure about the players. Promoted clubs often 'strengthen their squads' for the higher level, and the players who won promotion finish up out of the team. I have no idea whether that would / could happen at Sedgley, and what the players' attitude to it would be. We have a core of older players who might not fancy it, either, and their wives even less.

Recent examples of clubs promoted from Nat 2N are Caldy, who got promoted again, and Sale FC, who are doing well...but also Hull, who were better than those two at our level, and they are 0 from 11, and getting stuffed every week. They are certain to come down, and the danger is then 'free fall', and you go down twice, or more. It happened to Macclesfield recently, big time.

My gut feeling is that we're best off where we are. Local games within 50 miles, nearly all, and respected and friendly opponents who know us well and like coming to Park Lane. It would be great to play Leeds at this level, if it happens.

Yes, sad about Doddie. I often wondered whether Wade Dooley's cowardly punch contributed to his MND. It certainly can't have helped. Thug.
 

Karma

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Doddle Weir always struck me as an optomistic, positive, generous and humorous person.

I heard a lovely anecdote on tv about the time , I think, when he was doing his after dinner speech and at the time he also had a septic tank business. He finished by saying, " ....and remember your number two's are my number one's"
 

DaveMorton

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There was a wonderful game, Leicester v L Irish, televised Sunday. Champions (albeit mid-table now) v bottom of table, and the teams finished separated only by a conversion kick. Full house, it appeared, which is 32,000 at Welford Road, I think. If the Prem clubs can play exciting, instinctive, heads-up rugby, why not England? Perhaps because the clubs have South Africans, and the MoM was a Welshman!

With ex-Worcester and Wasps players now scattered amongst the rest, the standard is even higher. There's a young prop / hooker called Asher Opoku-Fordjour, who played for Sedgley on Saturday, replacing our previous ex-Wasps hooker Corbin Thunder, who has found better paid employment in France, I am told. AOF is apparently on Sale Sharks' books now, so we must have had him on loan, I'm guessing. Good player, no doubt, and English, from the Midlands. Thunder is a (white) S African, same school as one Kevin Pietersen.

Remember the days when Dewi Morris seemed an unbelievably exotic name? Soccer fans are ahead of us, getting their tongues round strange names. Rugby is quite big in Sri Lankan schools, but the players aren't...big, that is, physically. It would be fun to have a few Karunaratnes and Wickramasinghes on the team-sheets over here.

Inclusivity is fun, if they will let it be.

This is also fun. Joyous, even.
 
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DaveMorton

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In an interesting development at Park Lane, Sedgley have offered former Wasps coach Scott Barrow a full-time post as Director of Rugby Development, details still to be thrashed out. Scott has accepted, which seems an odd thing to do for a young up-and-coming coach. Previously, he was working 10 hours per week, part-time, with our part-time players.

Anyway, it looks as though Sedge are setting their stall out to move ever upwards, and to go for the promotion chance which is ours after a good half-season. Good news for the age-group teams, which have been in decline for the last twenty years, as the club has concentrated on the 1st XV. I imagine the presence of a top 'name' coach will attract kids of 16+.

I am due to watch the Junior Colts (U17) on Sunday, who have some talented players, if not enough of them. Other clubs in Sedgley's position have abandoned 'recreational rugby' entirely, which we never did, completely, and we have recently revived our Women's team, which I will watch when I get the chance. Perhaps.
 

Newby

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I read of some concern about the finances of Exeter RUFC with the Chairman having to step in and buy some of their assets to bail them out. I hope they don't end up following the path of Wasps and Worcester.
 

Newby

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Leeds Tykes fought back to gain a draw against Cambridge. 2 drawn games in a row but I'm sure they will take some more positives from this one against second placed Cambridge. Still in the bottom three though.
 

DaveMorton

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That certainly is a good result against 'Blood and Sand'. No hope for Hull, who lost at home to fellow strugglers Chinnor. Wharfedale are making a habit of losing all the close ones, 27-28 at home to Otley, today.

A very sharp-looking Sedgley beat Sheffield 47-17. One game to go to the half-way point of the season, with Sedge at Sheffield Tigers next Saturday, which will be my first visit to their Dore Moor ground, though I have driven past it many times.
 

Hawke

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Very very close games for Leeds Tykes and Otley. SP certainly going for it. Another away defeat for Ilkley. I am busy with ukulele lessons alternative Saturdays! Very demanding! Can get to Ilkley's next home match on Saturday. One to win against fellow strugglers Pavoirs from Notts. Hope the team is full of familiar names.
 

Karma

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Eddie has gone. Yipee!
I don't follow the game as closely as you Dave Morton, but I feel he 'talks a good talk' about games that bear little relationship to what I've seen. And approaching an important 2023 you would expect to win more than half your matches this year and have momentum. He was probably the only person not to foresee his own departure. But I'm no expert.
 

Newby

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Do the RFU have an overseas successor in place or is Steve Borthwick going to get the job!

He was number 2 to Eddie for quite a while, can he make the jump up to head coach, or was he in fact the man who was holding England together until he left to take over at Leicester.

I see Wales have opted to go back to Warren Gatland, interesting to see how that works out.
 

Donnylad

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The RFU said it "will now conclude the long-term work it has been undertaking on coach succession planning" with a full-time appointment "set to be announced in the near future". Weasel words.
There are some rumours that the RFU would not provide the support and coaching staff that Jones wanted.
The RFU need to take a good look at themselves and stop counting the Sky cash.

They have held off making Borthwick an offer because he works for Leicester and has a job already. There is a lot of muttering about. Scott Robertson - widely respected and successful coach of Canterbury Crusaders - but he could be nailed on as the next All Blacks coach.
Ronan O'Gara was suggested yesterday ... just as he collected another 10 week ban for "harming the best interests of rugby". Fourth ban in a year - ideal man for the job. There are a lot of grumpy old men who coach various Premiership clubs who might be looked at.

However someone at the RFU might just want to take a look at the playing strength / roster of the Prem clubs. There is more that a sprinkling of Saffer, Aussie and Pacific island players providing the backbone of some of these teams.

I just hope we do not end up with someone like Steve Diamond as a 'temporary' coach.
 
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