Rugby Football 22-23

Hawke

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Shall we start again?

Ilkley 14 Heath 15. A tough match for both teams watched by just over 200 including some vociferous supporters from Halifax, on an equally hard pitch which seemed to provide injuries for both sides.

Ilkley were getting on top in the 2nd half when the match was held up for 10 mins due to a head injury to a home player. Hopefully the head supports and stretcher were precautionary. I heard a Heath player say that rest had come at the right time.

Ilkley then missed a kickable penalty and Heath scored one, the winning points. Well done both sides.

The cashless system did not work so pay on the day supporters got in for free. The club will have lost quite a bit on that with the now £7 admission.
 

Newby

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Leeds Tykes ended up with a loss 24-28 to Taunton.

My attention was on the Rhinos who were awful for 65 minutes but managed to turn it around and win 14-8 against Castleford.

I was expecting us to finish 6th and travel to Huddersfield next Saturday, but we finished 5th and have a tricky trip to Perpignan on Friday to play the Catalans. We've already played there twice in the last 4 weeks due to the uneven nature of the fixtures this season.

Salford played a much-weakened team and lost to 2nd bottom Warrington, giving them 6th spot and the trip to Huddersfield. Cheap shot but I don't blame them, just hope Huddersfield are too good for them.
 

DaveMorton

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Sedgley went 0-3 down against Otley, but then scored three rolling-maul tries in quick succession; 19-3, first 20 mins. The rest of the half was all Otley. Sedgley's pack was fine, but no one could catch a ball. 19-8 at half-time. New scrum-half didn't help. Otley continued to press and it was 26-15 after another 10 mins. We were saying 'next try probably wins it', so it really was a tight and untidy encounter.

However, we changed the scrum-half, discovered some fluency, and ran in two tries to win 38-15, try-count 6-2, but it never felt one-sided after the first quarter. Perfect, grassy pitch, by the way. We just looked rusty. Our resident expert, who keeps tabs on all the clubs, reckons Rotherham will stroll the title this season.

Big win for Wharfedale against Hoppers. So sad! 9 tries for the Green Machine.
 

Hawke

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Sedgley went 0-3 down against Otley, but then scored three rolling-maul tries in quick succession; 19-3, first 20 mins. The rest of the half was all Otley. Sedgley's pack was fine, but no one could catch a ball. 19-8 at half-time. New scrum-half didn't help. Otley continued to press and it was 26-15 after another 10 mins. We were saying 'next try probably wins it', so it really was a tight and untidy encounter.

However, we changed the scrum-half, discovered some fluency, and ran in two tries to win 38-15, try-count 6-2, but it never felt one-sided after the first quarter. Perfect, grassy pitch, by the way. We just looked rusty. Our resident expert, who keeps tabs on all the clubs, reckons Rotherham will stroll the title this season.

Big win for Wharfedale against Hoppers. So sad! 9 tries for the Green Machine.
Considering Sedge’s strength at this level, that was actually an encouraging score line for newly promoted Otley.
 

Hawke

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My RL side, Hull FC, have had a terrible last few weeks, undermined by injuries, with a depressing derby result today. They wish the season had finished 6 weeks ago. Too bad.
 

Hawke

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Yes a shame Leeds Tykes lost, they could do with winning those home games to stay above another relegation fight.
 

Hawke

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Our son is back in the area and has never been to a RL match. We talked about watching the Rhinos but matches may have run out. I have always had a fondness for Leeds RL, except when they played Hull FC.

I also look out for Bramley Buffaloes. My dad and I watched them a few times when visiting family back in the Leeds area. In fact to complete the Leeds rugby league scene, in the long long ago my dad first followed Hunslet whilst a family member was involved at Holbeck Northern Union who played at Elland Rd.

For some reason our daughter, on a visit home, and with no interest in rugby, said she preferred Bradford Bulls.....
 

Donnylad

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There are some very big units in that Sedgley pack DM! I wonder how hard the grounds are now or has there been enough rain in the north-east to make them more fielding. I walked across our local park recently and I would not have liked to be 'brought to earth' on the brown, ever so slightly green, concrete that I was walking across.
 

DaveMorton

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Fielding? Yielding! The Leeds Uni pitch at Weetwood looked like something out of South Africa. Otley had to cancel a pre-season game because theirs was unsafe. Over in the West, it has been dry but not parched, and there's no hosepipe ban. I didn't walk on the Sedgley pitch, but it looked in lovely nick. There's some rain forecast for days 2 and 3 of the Roses game, but it's sort of '60% chance of light showers'. We'll take the deluge when we're nine down in the second innings.

You wouldn't want to be diving around too much on the square.
 

Donnylad

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... err, yes, yielding.

Diving around on the square? Must be a younger man's activity, don't recall doing it myself.
 

Newby

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Mercifully, for this sport at least, we have a bit of rain around.

I presume there is an exemption from the current hosepipe bans for elite sport.
 

DaveMorton

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I used to field in the covers, Donnylad, back in the days when there were 240 pence in the pound, and a few years after that. I did a lot of diving, but the consequence was usually muddy whites rather than grazed knees and elbows.

Elite sport? Well, Yorks 2s were classed as elite, when 'they' wouldn't let us watch them during Covid. I think there may be some inconsistency here. I doubt if Otley RFC comes into that category. Nor am I sure if there will be any exemption, anyway. Even now, government inspectors may be under the Lord's pitch, checking no one is using the underground irrigation system.

I am setting off for OT this very minute. I expect some delay, but don't want to miss Mr Bean's f-c debut innings. They said he was going to open. We've still two wickets to take, so I should be okay. Perhaps.
 

Newby

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I am currently extremely grumpy with one aspect of the game of Rugby league and was wondering if Rugby Union has a similar system.

In Super league and the Championship all the games are recorded and looked at by a member of the 'match review panel' after the game is over. This will be an ex player who looks at the footage and tries to find incidents of foul play that the officials missed during the game. Any incidents reported go before the full panel and, if an infringement is deemed serious enough, the player is punished, usually a ban for 1 or 2 games depending on the offence.

Of course the coverage is more detailed for the games shown on Sky, with several cameras, not to mention TV pundits already showing slow motion shots of any incidents they notice. Like Rugby Union high tackles, or what are deemed to be high tackles are the flavour of the month and lead to most bans, sometimes 2 or 3 in a match covered on Sky and the odd one for other matches.

I don't like it but it's the same for all the teams who attract the Sky coverage so we have to live with it.

My major beef with the system is that if the player, or more properly his team, view the footage and appeal the decision, it's very likely, as has just happened twice to Leeds Rhino's, that the panel will deem the appeal to be frivolous and turn the 1 game ban into 2.

DM, you're the expert, do they do this in Rugby Union too?
 

DaveMorton

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I would have to research it, Newby. As far as I know, every Premiership game - not just the ones on BT Sport - will have a team of four - Ref and two assistants + TMO in a van. Unlike soccer, this seems to work very well, with play continuing while potential offences are checked, sometimes at the instigation of the ref, sometimes the TMO. I'm not sure if there's a citing officer present at every game; nor do I know whether Team A can instigate an investigation of an act by a Team B player. The regulations will not be the same for International matches as for domestic ones.

I have read minutes of disciplinary hearings, and the system is quite impressive. An offence will carry a tariff of, say 4 to 8 weeks, if a guilty verdict is reached. [In the amateur days, when the referee was 'sole judge of fact', a player could not be found 'not guilty' except in the case of mistaken identity. They used to hand down a sentence known as SOS in doubtful cases - sending off sufficient. When the game became professional, this system was no longer legally safe.]

Anyway, nowadays they will decide whether the offence is lower end or top end of the range. Everything is taken into account. Referee's report, player's response, video footage, player's previous record and degree of contrition, both on the pitch and at the hearing. With all this, they can reduce the sentence by up to 50%. Not sure if they can increase it. So, the wrong-footed player who high-tackles an opponent, then immediately shows remorse and concern for his victim, will get away with 50% of 4 weeks, or whatever the tariff is.

Where there has been a change - one that concerns me - is that the referee no longer is able to consider 'the apparent intentions' of the tackler. You used to be able to say: no intent, therefore no foul play. Nowadays, contact with the head is foul play. If the player ducks into the tackle, or the tackling player is jostled in the act, or if the arm bounces up off the ball, for example, that counts as 'mitigation'. It must be a penalty, because it's foul play, but the referee and his team have the option to choose red, or yellow, or just a penalty.

It seems to me that the referee is no longer trusted to make the gut-feeling decision that sympathetic refs used to do. There was an Australian sent off in this summer's series against England. He had had his hair pulled I think, and retaliated with a token head-butt, for which he was both sent off and suspended. My gut-feeling decision would have been to yellow card the hair puller (if seen, I'm not sure he was) and tell the Aussie not to be stupid, and get on with the game. I wouldn't even have reversed the penalty, so minor was the head contact.

Suspensions in RU seem to be much longer. My current bugbear is the 'deliberate knock-on' offence. I really do think a lot of them are not deliberate, and some of them are not even knock-ons! But yellow card and penalty-try is often the outcome. [It does actually come under the foul play regulations, for reasons too complicated to explain.] We would have won the World Cup in 1991, and Campese would have been sin-binned, with present-day rulings.
 

Karma

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Thank you both Newby and Dave Morton.

I can't add anything to your detailed posts except to say that my knowledge in this area has increased several fold and I won't now be the one to complain so quickly.
 

Newby

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Thanks for the explanation DM.

They are both very tough physical sports and you don't have to look very hard to find some truly heart-breaking stories of the difficulties being faced, both physically and mentally of former players. Player welfare and safeguarding must therefore be top of both codes list of priorities.

Perhaps this is just another thing we oldies, when remembering how the game was played, find it difficult to come to terms with, I know I do.

My biggest gripe is the appeals procedure, which as far as I can see is designed to stop players appealing.

Arguing against myself in the fashion of Karma, perhaps that's no bad thing either.
 

DaveMorton

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I put my photographic skills at the disposal of SPRUFC last night. I was quite nervous at the thought of a low-light team photograph, but I got them just before sunset. Nice, even light. I have to say, it's a lot easier to 'pose' mature blokes than a bunch of kids. All looking at the camera, no bunny ears!
https://flic.kr/p/2nKrVPw
 

Newby

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Watched a very good Leeds Rhinos side beat Catalan Dragons in the first of the play-off games tonight. I was surprised it went ahead but I suppose it being played in France was some mitigation. I fully expected Leeds to finish their season tonight but they were very composed against a physically huge, but aging Catalan side who were lucky to finish with only 2 yellow and 1 red card.

Rugby Union has put off the start of the premiership until tomorrow, which I think is the right approach.

The Test match re-starts, or as it turns out starts tomorrow with only 3 days now available, three days has been enough in the first two games.

Football has taken the whole week-end off, which might be a bit of an over reaction.

Different people will have differing views.
 

DaveMorton

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I think playing the games in honour of the Queen is the right reaction, and mourning her as a group, rather than us all moping individually at home. A day off for the funeral, I would expect, for the whole nation, including sport. Though, in ancient times, didn't they have 'funeral games' in honour of a dead leader?

Last night I watched the whole of the Catalans game, first time I have watched an entire RL game for years. Obviously I wanted Leeds to win, even as a former Bradford Northern supporter, and a former Salford supporter, when there was a lot of bad blood between the clubs - a career-ending injury to one of the Leeds players in the early 1970s.

By half-time I was screaming for them to win against just about the biggest pile of waste-matter I have seen on a rugby field. This rabble was a professional team? The referee achieved near sainthood in his tolerance of them. In the end, he had had enough. In the circumstances, Leeds kept their composure well and even played a bit of rugby.

I don't remember once, in the game, seeing a winger run with the ball, except taking it into contact, like all the others. That used to be one of the glories of RL. We had Keith Fielding and Maurice Richards at Salford, and best of all Billy Burgess, who was poetry in motion. Leeds had a tall elegant guy called Atkinson, I seem to remember. Even more recently, a big unit called Hall, who might be still playing for someone.

Oh, but Billy Burgess. There should be statues....
 
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