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DaveMorton

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Lunch, day 3, and I am now concentrating on the Gloucs v Warwicks match, which is building up towards a thrilling finish...or Gloucs might stroll it, which is what I'm hoping. Young pace bowler Tom Price took 8 for 27 as Warwicks were bowled out for 128. There is also lots of spin in the pitch.

Set 148 to win, Gloucs are 4 for no wicket at lunch. No Marcus Harris in their team, and Warwicks have Yadav.
Elsewhere, Northants saved the follow-on against Somerset, who have just begun their second innings 124 ahead.
 

Newby

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Outside hope of a Hampshire win looks to have gone now with the loss of James Vince, Jack Leaning taking the wicket as he bowls through to the new ball.

Gloucestershire must have enough to beat Warwickshire surely.
 

DaveMorton

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I wouldn't put a penny on their chances. 45 for 4, still need 103.
Somerset building a lead. Rain forecast this evening, but <5% tomorrow.
The fates are ganging up against us. We may have to beat Gloucs to stay up.
 

DaveMorton

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Well, perhaps the fates are relenting. Gloucs 119 for 4 at tea, needing just 29 more. Chris Dent and Graeme van Buuren have added 89, so far. Gripping viewing, and such a good commentary from Bristol.

Huge implications for us, and of course for Warwickshire, if Gloucs do win.
 

Hawke

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We couldn’t play Tribe. The old leg spinner problem.
Yes 150 all out is infinitely superior to 500 for 5.
 

Hawke

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I read that the Chelmsford pitch was a lottery. 500 for 5 is dull dull dull dull
5 for 5 is fascinating but no use in developing cricketers or cricket matches
 

Newby

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Gloucestershire did win. Funny old game, Warwickshire did what they could in bringing in a couple of overseas players for the September games, but it hasn't done the job, so far.

It's not only pitches, part of the Strauss review calls for a change from the bowler friendly Duke ball to the Kookaburra with a less prominent seam.
 

DaveMorton

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Gloucestershire have done it, in an unbelievable brilliant and tense finish. Why does County Cricket need to change at all? Only the Enemy of Cricket Board thinks so.

So, Warwicks have 120 points, so the max they can get is 144. We have 135, so we need 10 (and no points deductions!) to be absolutely safe. Kent are also one point behind us, despite their win today. I will look at the maths when the Somerset result is known, tomorrow.
I read that the Chelmsford pitch was a lottery. 500 for 5 is dull dull dull dull
5 for 5 is fascinating but no use in developing cricketers or cricket matches
Yes, the Bristol commentators were talking about it. Their thought was that pitches slightly favouring bowlers produced the best cricket, low-scoring games are okay so long as the pitch is 'fair', which the one at Chelmsford was said not to be. I'm with that, 100%.

The one at Bristol produced 6 scores of 50+ (and a 49), a pace bowler got an 8-for, and two overseas spinners each took 5 in an innings. I actually thought Yadav bowled very poorly in the fourth innings, until he got into the lower order. Hannon-Dalby was a handful early on, today.

But, did Warwickshire look a bedraggled and dispirited lot! The defending Champions! Threatening to follow a title with relegation, as happened with ourselves, Lancs, Notts and Middlesex. Another indication that a Premier Division of six is ludicrous. There are at least twelve really good sides, and margins are small, with International call-ups having a huge effect.
 
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Karma

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2nd Pakistan v England T20 complete turnaround. Salt and Hales seemed slow to accumulate runs, Malan a golden duck, Brook out to Rauf

All five England wickets bowled, how often does that happen? England's bowlers failed to get a wicket .

Bit of a pasting
 

Newby

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2nd Pakistan v England T20 complete turnaround. Salt and Hales seemed slow to accumulate runs, Malan a golden duck, Brook out to Rauf

All five England wickets bowled, how often does that happen? England's bowlers failed to get a wicket .

Bit of a pasting
I was sort of listening to it with half an ear while doing something else. There's another one on tonight, which of course gives the coaches and the players plenty of time to work on their game.

It's quite likely that the result will be a complete reversal of yesterday's, which I think proves that T20 proves nothing.

It's good that England have gone to Pakistan of course and they will be returning to play some Test matches later. It's very much back to the bubble though, this time on security grounds, and it must be a strain for everybody involved.
 

DaveMorton

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I forgot all about the live T20. Instead, I watched an old recording on my Skybox, England v NZ at Lord's, 2015, when Adam Lyth was playing. He didn't make many, but got his one and only Test century at Headingley the following week. At Lord's, led by Cook, Root and Stokes with the bat, and Anderson, Broad and Stokes with the ball, England played exactly the sort of cricket we have seen in 2022. It can't have been Bazball, because he was captaining NZ.

It was Trevball, Bayliss having just replaced Moores as coach that season. A near full house, paying £20 (free for kids) watched the final day's play, rounded off by Moeen's spectacular catch in front of the pavilion..
 
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Newby

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Somerset have taken themselves out of the relegation equation by beating Northants and pushing us down into 7th place.

In Division 2 Glamorgan have won and Middlesex are about to win (surely) to make it interesting next week.

Notts 219 points
Midd 209 points
Glam 200 points.

What looked a good chance for Matt Fisher to get some batting practice, has just been declared a draw at Folkestone so I can only presume it's damp.

Yorks 2nds on 207/7 needing 303 to win, Fisher 26 not out.
 

Hawke

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Perhaps Yorkshire were saving Fisher for the more winnable match v Glos. I see Wharton made a century.
 

DaveMorton

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The Championship arithmetic is now relatively simple. Top: very simple, Surrey have won it.
Bottom
6, Northants 151 safe from relegation, but can be overtaken
7. Yorkshire 135
8. Kent 134
9. Warwicks 120
10. Gloucs 95 relegated.

A high-scoring draw could give Warwicks 136 points which, in practice is no good at all, so they need to win. Realistically, that means 19 min to 24 max, or a range of 139 to 144. We, therefore, need between 5 and 10 points, so a draw is almost certainly enough for us.

Kent are in exactly the same position, with 1 point fewer, but more wins than us. If all goes pear-shaped with Warwickshire, we can still escape by scoring as many points as Kent. That is, if we lose, Kent must also lose; and if we don't lose, we're okay anyway, just about. The situation will be clearer after the first couple of days.

How do Warwickshire play it? A low-scoring 19-point win might just be enough, but ideally they need both a win and a few batting points. We need a flat one! And so do Kent. All three relegation contenders are at home.

Yorks v Gloucs
Kent v Somerset
Warwicks v Hampshire
 
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Newby

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The Championship arithmetic is now relatively simple. Top: very simple, Surrey have won it.
Bottom
6, Northants 151 safe from relegation, but can be overtaken
7. Yorkshire 135
8. Kent 134
9. Warwicks 120
10. Gloucs 95 relegated.

A high-scoring draw could give Warwicks 136 points which, in practice is no good at all, so they need to win. Realistically, that means 19 min to 24 max, or a range of 139 to 144. We, therefore, need between 5 and 10 points, so a draw is almost certainly enough for us.

Kent are in exactly the same position, with 1 point fewer, but more wins than us. If all goes pear-shaped with Warwickshire, we can still escape by scoring as many points as Kent. That is, if we lose, Kent must also lose; and if we don't lose, we're okay anyway, just about. The situation will be clearer after the first couple of days.

How do Warwickshire play it? A low-scoring 19-point win might just be enough, but ideally they need both a win and a few batting points. We need a flat one! And so do Kent. All three relegation contenders are at home.

Yorks v Gloucs
Kent v Somerset
Warwicks v Hampshire
You've obviously got a blind spot for Somerset Dave.

Northants are now 5th with 151 and safe
6. Somerset 145 and also safe but can be overtaken.
7. Yorkshire 135 etc.
 

Donnylad

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International T20 vs Pakistan

England 221 for 3 ... Brook 81 off 35 balls, 5 x 4 and 5 x 6 (A reminder of what we are missing)

Pakistan 158 fo8 Massood 66 n.o. off 40 balls, 3 x 4 4 x 6 (Slightly worrying because he looked the best of what they have = more selection)
Rashid 2 for 32
 

Karma

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So India women won the 3 match series 3 -0 against England with a run-out (Mankad?)

I say, it's just not cricket. Standards and manners , oh dear. Not professionalism.
Don't know why but I never expected this from a lady.
 

Newby

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So India women won the 3 match series 3 -0 against England with a run-out (Mankad?)

I say, it's just not cricket. Standards and manners , oh dear. Not professionalism.
Don't know why but I never expected this from a lady.
Just seen it, very sad end to a game which looked like it was coming to quite an exciting conclusion for the spectators.

Perhaps in International cricket the third umpires could check and start disallowing runs when the non-striker is shown to have clearly left their ground before the ball has pitched.
 
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