Off The Field continued

Donnylad

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Well tbsteve , strangely enough my wife and I were talking exactly about the Vaughn incident in the car coming back from Trent Bridge and we're in basic agreement with what you are saying . A message spoken with one meaning can be interpreted or' heard' with a completely different meaning. If the police ask 3 witnesses to describe an incident (years later as in Rafiq's case) they would probably get three different versions unless there's collusion . Would they remember what they actually saw/heard or what having spoken to another witness ,what they thought they saw/heard . I think there's also the example about an Army planning an attack . The message radiod was ' Send reinforcements we're going to advance' but it was 'heard' as ' Send 3 and Fourpence , we're going to a dance'

Now I've never spoken to Vaughn and he's not everyone's cup of tea . However I can imagine him making a a friendly, humorous larger than life comment to the group being' I'm the ex-England captain' but not being racist. One or more of them might have heard it (One certainly didn't , Shazad I think) Another might have said , did you hear what he said? No and repeated it (or what he thought he heard) etc etc .Vaughn's adamant he said nothing racist .Why would I not believe him?

As far as rough justice is concerned , it works two ways (possibly the wrong way against Vaughn as it's difficult to prove what you didn't say) . In the case of Rafiq I am being somewhat ironic as it's not a level playing field , especially when you are allowed (invited?) to give evidence under Parliamentary Privilege , you can say whatever you like without any outside cross-examination . And nobody can sue you for defamation. In essence it's a bit of a Kangaroo court but a legal one . Boris Johnson was invited to repeat his 'Jimmy Saville allegations against Starmer out side Parliament but has declined .

Although I'm not a lawyer it's never stopped me giving legal advice. the rough justice is that I don't think the ECB (or it's disciplinary committee) has the power to take action against a fish and chip shop owner in Barnsley concerning historical racist tweets for which he has made a very public apology and has been perceived to be remorseful. Nor do they have power to take action for his £000 of gambling debts that were paid off( but not by him) , nor for drinking late into the night in a Scarborough Pub when he was playing for Yorkshire the next day , nor for trying to ply an underage girl with alcohol on a plane , nor tweets to the same girl. Nor for him being a bit of a porker at times ( it's not bullying to tell a professional athlete that they should lose some weight)

The Parliamentary Select Committee and the ECB have made up their minds about Rafiq . They're now going after YCCC and several unnamed individuals against whom there is already a perception of wrongdoings Mr Rafiq has been proved to have suffered to their satisfaction.

Now they're going to give everyone a fair trial and then hang them (out to dry) The ECB will of course be protecting itself against accusations of inaction.
The grass in my garden is growing ... I image the grass in the specially prepared garden of ECB Home for Lost Causes and Nasty Things We Do Not Want Aired in Public is already about 12 inches high and will be even longer by the time all this gets done.
 

byased

Active member
This is what a wise man had to say:

God gave all men all earth to love,
But since our hearts are small,
Ordained for each one spot should prove
Belovèd over all;
That, as He watched Creation’s birth,
So we, in godlike mood,
May of our love create our earth
And see that it is good.

So one shall Baltic pines content,
As one some Surrey glade,
Or one the palm-grove’s droned lament
Before Levuka’s Trade.
Each to his choice, and I rejoice
The lot has fallen to me
In a fair ground—in a fair ground—
Yea, Sussex by the sea!

There's lots more....
Nice poem!
 

Karma

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On the field actually.

Andy Fogarty our head groundsman recognised at the ECB 's awards with One-day award for the first time. I mention this as groundsmen often go unnoticed (unless something is wrong) but we are fortunate to have someone like Andy.

I also mention this as literally off-field facilities for Yorkshire and visiting players were highlighted as being very poor by our new Director of Cricket at the last EGM . This seems to have been a result of underspending over many years including the current Board.

Hope you are reading
 

Karma

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Seems it have been a good and appropriate Christmas do.


Yes, as I've been banging on about lack of diversity for the majority for most of this season, felt obliged to go with my wife and really glad we did.

Excellent free band, free food, free drink and free parking together with a 'reading' from George Hill. Yes, no Lord P but that apart a pleasant couple of hours and certainly better than sitting at home in front of a roaring fire.

We'd go again next Christmas if plans to repeat proceed
 

byased

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Yes, as I've been banging on about lack of diversity for the majority for most of this season, felt obliged to go with my wife and really glad we did.

Excellent free band, free food, free drink and free parking together with a 'reading' from George Hill. Yes, no Lord P but that apart a pleasant couple of hours and certainly better than sitting at home in front of a roaring fire.

We'd go again next Christmas if plans to repeat proceed
Eh up Hawke, there is nowt free in this world. Someone paid for the band and food etc, if not the membership or the club (in which case you have paid for it in reality) then the taxpayer, in which case I want my money back!.
 

Karma

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Eh up Hawke, there is nowt free in this world. Someone paid for the band and food etc, if not the membership or the club (in which case you have paid for it in reality) then the taxpayer, in which case I want my money back!.

Food and drink sponsored by Regal Foods and MyLahore, free parking (carpark open no charge) Rob Halligan and his Band (very good band too) were thanked by th club Chaplin for coming all the way from Coventry. Bit of an evangelical band doing traditional carols, their own compositions and Christmas No 1's eg ' So here it is Merry Christmas'. Band selling their CD's after celebration and a charity bucket collection upon leaving ( for 'Global Care')

A number of very committed Christians and the rest of us there for a good sing and Christmas ( with a small 'c') celebration
We only recognised one other YCCC regular supporter, who stood with us and there were also local residents. Enjoyed the whole bash.
 
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Hawke

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Eh up Hawke, there is nowt free in this world. Someone paid for the band and food etc, if not the membership or the club (in which case you have paid for it in reality) then the taxpayer, in which case I want my money back!.
£2 million and counting....
 

byased

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Sounds a good night. Mate of mine wrote Saviours Day for Cliff Richard, I have never forgiven him.
 

Karma

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Sounds a good night. Mate of mine wrote Saviours Day for Cliff Richard, I have never forgiven him.
I'm with you on that one byased.

My wife really enjoyed the night. I did too but the important thing is that in the same way that sport brings more people together than it divides, so does singing carols with others ( no matter how badly the singing)
 

Karma

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Members Forum , Headingley, East Stand, Long Room
6:00 Monday 23rd January 2023

Be there or be square (leg) 🏏
 

Newby

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Members Forum , Headingley, East Stand, Long Room
6:00 Monday 23rd January 2023

Be there or be square (leg) 🏏
If the object of the forum is to update members and explain to them information that is not available elsewhere, or to 'sell the new membership options' then they could do with a live stream of this, with the option of allowing members to send in a question beforehand.

Alternatively they could perhaps travel in a single vehicle out of fortress Headingley, and hold local forums at cricket clubs down South, up North and over this way a little bit. Three forums in venues close to Ripon, Malton and Sheffield would be a good spread.
 

Karma

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Largely agree with your comments Newby. A Livestream would be beneficial to many members , particularly for those who live on the edges of this great county and for those who live even further afield . As would admitting the press to members forums, EGM's, AGM's

Travelling member's forums? Yes why not? But give proper notice. There was one at Scarborough last season @9:45 ie 75 minutes before the first ball was bowled. I think this was announced only the previous day and travelling from West Yorkshire proved difficult enough so missed nearly all and stood outside the hospitality tent chatting with Dickie Bird.

It's slightly ironic that last Sunday we celebrated the 160th birthday of the founding of YCCC in Sheffield whereas that city is not on the current YCCC map apart from the place from which loyal supporters travel miles to watch the club play (elsewhere).
 

Karma

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Largely agree with your comments Newby. A Livestream would be beneficial to many members , particularly for those who live on the edges of this great county and for those who live even further afield . As would admitting the press to members forums, EGM's, AGM's

Travelling member's forums? Yes why not? But give proper notice. There was one at Scarborough last season @9:45 ie 75 minutes before the first ball was bowled. I think this was announced only the previous day and travelling from West Yorkshire proved difficult enough so missed nearly all and stood outside the hospitality tent chatting with Dickie Bird.

It's slightly ironic that last Sunday we celebrated the 160th birthday of the founding of YCCC in Sheffield whereas that city is not on the current YCCC map apart from the place from which loyal supporters travel miles to watch the club play (elsewhere).
Understand it now is to be streamed

I swear they read this forum you have got your wish Newby
 

Hawke

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Staff member
Understand it now is to be streamed

I swear they read this forum you have got your wish Newby
I read a letter from an influential member who proposed live streaming and learned that Andy Dawson was looking into it. Glad it's happening.
 

Newby

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I haven't seen it confirmed yet but I hope it does happen. I think holding a forum, which may or may not be worthwhile attending, before a days cricket is one thing. But asking members to travel in some cases long distances to hear about ? is something else.

Dawson seems to be running things single handededly at the moment so I suppose he will be worth listening to.
 

Karma

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If it is him he has to understand that he would be Chair to the board but there is also a Chief Executive ie it is not a combined role as it seemed to be for part of the time under Lord P
 

Newby

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It sounds like the clubs finances are at the heart of the issue with LP finding it impossible to re-finance the debts we have already, not to mention the new ones the clubs recent actions taken are piling up.

Yet more uncertainty and negative publicity. One step forward, two steps back.

I read the hearings have now been shuffled off until early March, I think they mean this March but I'm not certain.
 
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