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Karma

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I too read the article and letter (twice). All pretty strong stuff but then so is sacking people one of whom had been at the club for 38 years, I think and without an explanation, reasoning or due process for loyal servants who actually cared for the club.

Obviously, nobody smacks a child nowadays but when it was common practice (certainly when I was a young) without an explanation of what they had done wrong and why it mattered, I suppose there'd be the punishment, but nothing was learned.

Pointless in the case of YCCC apart from giving satisfaction to someone in addition to Julian knight

I suppose it all has to do with context. I might expand later. My sympathies are still very much with the sacked former employees so I might be biased.
 

DaveMorton

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The ridiculous thing is....we were held guilty (though not actually found guilty) of Institutional Racism, though the independent enquiry absolved us of this. Nevertheless, we had Patel forced upon us, under threat. He commits a barbarous act against loyal employees, and this is now listed as yet another wrong committed by our Club.

Orwell? Kafka?
 

Karma

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The ridiculous thing is....we were held guilty (though not actually found guilty) of Institutional Racism, though the independent enquiry absolved us of this. Nevertheless, we had Patel forced upon us, under threat. He commits a barbarous act against loyal employees, and this is now listed as yet another wrong committed by our Club.

Orwell? Kafka?
I wish the original board had let Mr.Rafiq take YCCC to a tribunal, if as I understand
they felt they could have defended it.
 

Hawke

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LP listened to AR and immediately believed him without question and offered him £200,000 there and then. LP said he had himself suffered racial slurs in his time. This must undoubtedly have influenced him.

Therefore, in LP’s mind, anyone opposing that, by signing a letter, is acting against the club's interests, given LP's opinion of AR, the publicity, public reaction, ECB sanctions and loss of sponsors. He may also have seen this as bullying and more.

AR can clearly be a prickly character. His supporters would say he is strong and is standing up for himself.

His detractors believe/suspect he is deluding himself about the situation and has caused terrible terrible problems by exaggerating incidents to the point that they do not resemble the truth. Many of us on this forum are clearly very wary of AR's claims.
 
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Karma

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Good observations Hawke. Clearly this whole fiasco could be construed as being based around prejudice. There are two different parties, but both have been awarded substantial payments for alleged 'wrongdoings'

The 'first party', Azeem Rafiq, who criticised the club has his money but can carry on criticising whomever he likes because Lord P removed the NDA'

The 'second party', the employees who signed the letter defending the club, have been paid some money but are gagged from further comment because of the NDA's forced upon them

Strikes me as extreme prejudice in dealings with both parties differently
 

Karma

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The CDC enquiry begins on October 17/18th with Mr. Rafiq wanting it to be held in public (says he wouldn't give evidence if it was not)

Lord Patel has also subsequently said YCCC favour it in public ("just like my friend Azeem", presumably there's no collusion between them and I'm certain they won't be sending each other Christmas cards for obvious reasons)

- the CDC normally hold these in private to protect the witnesses so that's the first problem

Yorkshire are going to plead guilty though I'm not certain if that's Lord P or the whole board.

Tim O'Gorman chair of the CDC will preside at the hearing despite the fact he is legal counsel for Halfords, who use the same PR firm (Powerscourt) as Mr. Rafiq

The hangings are schedules for Late October
 

Newby

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There's also the small matter of the DCMS committee meeting on the 13th of December in which Azeem Rafiq and Lord Patel are expected to appear again.

Having already found Yorkshire guilty this DCMS meeting is all about identifying anybody standing in their way, or indeed having anything at all to say against the glorious crusade.
 

Karma

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There's also the small matter of the DCMS committee meeting on the 13th of December in which Azeem Rafiq and Lord Patel are expected to appear again.

Having already found Yorkshire guilty this DCMS meeting is all about identifying anybody standing in their way, or indeed having anything at all to say against the glorious crusade.

That's why I like the anonymity of this forum and printed your name when I signed the petition and voted against the Code of Conduct
 

Hawke

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There's also the small matter of the DCMS committee meeting on the 13th of December in which Azeem Rafiq and Lord Patel are expected to appear again.

Having already found Yorkshire guilty this DCMS meeting is all about identifying anybody standing in their way, or indeed having anything at all to say against the glorious crusade.
Yes it's a stitch up. Isn't that George Orwell's Ministry of Truth.
 

DaveMorton

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Yes it's a stitch up. Isn't that George Orwell's Ministry of Truth.
I must re-read 1984. I first read it in 1958, when I was doing my O Levels. It wasn't our set book. As the top class, we had to endure Chaucer, but the second set were doing Animal Farm, which I read with relish, and went on to devour all Orwell's other stuff over the next year or two, Keep the Aspidistra Flying, Coming up for Air, etc.

So much of 1984 has come to pass, and so much of it has permeated our culture - Room 101, Big Brother, to name two.
The most frightening idea was 'Newspeak', a devolved version of English, where 'bad' became 'ungood', and extremely bad, or execrable, etc, became 'double-plus ungood'. The reasoning being that it was impossible to think complex thoughts without a complex vocabulary, thus making it easier for 'them' to control us.

If you don't agree with me, I might unfriend you.

Then there was the two-minute hate, and 'Doublethink', a philosophy in which two opposite ideas could both be believed at the same time.

Following his torture in Room 101, Winston Smith found he loved Big Brother.

I love Lord Patel. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.
 

Donnylad

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Please take care DM - your words may yet appear in a speech by some politician or other - no names no pack drill.

But just think about when a U-turn isn't going to happen and then it does but that is OK because there was some 'listening' and when a serious and damaging outcomes in the stock and bond markets is described as “a little turbulence”.

But then again we have been assured about 'exciting signings' ay YCCC so it is not just politicians!
 

Newby

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Not cricket but Rugby League, with just a hint of 1984 about it.

The RFL Chief Executive, Ralph Rimmer, made a painful joke about the Fiji team during a speech on the build up to the RLWC. Rimmer is due to leave his job in 3 months anyway.

@The governing body said it had considered "the context of a wider discussion of the World Cup" and that the Fiji National Team, the Federation and the Confederation accepted Rimmer's apology in reaching its verdict.

"Noting the agreement of all consulted that there was no intent in the use of the unacceptable language; that a fulsome apology was issued and accepted; and taking into account relevant and applicable precedent, from other sports and previous RFL compliance investigations, the decision of the chair is that no formal disciplinary action is appropriate," the RFL said.

"The matter will be dealt with through education, to be conducted during the three months before Ralph Rimmer's previously announced departure from the RFL at the end of the year."@

I particularly like the 'education' or should that be the 're-education programme and have visions of him being carted off to some camp somewhere for the next three months.
 

DaveMorton

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Yes, send him to Room 101. If you want to know the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, for ever.

And the future is now.
 

Karma

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I must re-read 1984. I first read it in 1958, when I was doing my O Levels. It wasn't our set book. As the top class, we had to endure Chaucer, but the second set were doing Animal Farm, which I read with relish, and went on to devour all Orwell's other stuff over the next year or two, Keep the Aspidistra Flying, Coming up for Air, etc.

So much of 1984 has come to pass, and so much of it has permeated our culture - Room 101, Big Brother, to name two.
The most frightening idea was 'Newspeak', a devolved version of English, where 'bad' became 'ungood', and extremely bad, or execrable, etc, became 'double-plus ungood'. The reasoning being that it was impossible to think complex thoughts without a complex vocabulary, thus making it easier for 'them' to control us.

If you don't agree with me, I might unfriend you.

Then there was the two-minute hate, and 'Doublethink', a philosophy in which two opposite ideas could both be believed at the same time.

Following his torture in Room 101, Winston Smith found he loved Big Brother.

I love Lord Patel. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.

'There is no success like failure'

Sorry (Hawke), this is taken from a song but also could be said to sum up Yorkshire's season , both on and particularly off the field.
 
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Newby

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The Cricket disciplinary committee today delivered their verdict on the historic tweets of Azeem Rafiq, Andrew Gale, Jack Brooks and a couple of women cricketers, Danni Wyatt and Eve Jones.

Rafiq had referred to someone as acting like a Jew in not paying for a meal, Gale had used the word y** in a tweet to a friend and Brooks has used the 'n' word in a similar tweet.

The two women cricketers had apparently put on blackface at a Caribbean themed fancy dress party in 2013. I'm sure they were not alone but they hadn't kept abreast of a changing world and had failed to delete the photo's before someone looking for something to be offended by found them.

They had all pleaded guilty and were each 'reprimanded' with no further punishment.

Sigh!
 

Karma

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I wonder how much this waste of time has cost. Like sacking Yorkshire employees, the
real wrongdoing is the process that achieves nothing positive.
 

Hawke

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The Cricket disciplinary committee today delivered their verdict on the historic tweets of Azeem Rafiq, Andrew Gale, Jack Brooks and a couple of women cricketers, Danni Wyatt and Eve Jones.

Rafiq had referred to someone as acting like a Jew in not paying for a meal, Gale had used the word y** in a tweet to a friend and Brooks has used the 'n' word in a similar tweet.

The two women cricketers had apparently put on blackface at a Caribbean themed fancy dress party in 2013. I'm sure they were not alone but they hadn't kept abreast of a changing world and had failed to delete the photo's before someone looking for something to be offended by found them.

They had all pleaded guilty and were each 'reprimanded' with no further punishment.

Sigh!
Well I suppose they have all been treated in the same way.
The ECB seem to accept they were all daft and careless rather than overtly deliberately racist.....
A consequence of the AR case is that people will be careful with their language and behaviour in the future which, in my opinion, is a good thing.
 

Newby

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New CEO has been announced, after a rigorous process we are left with Stephen Vaughan, fresh from a stint helping to oversee the debacle at Wasps rugby.

Darren Gough it is also announced is to continue in his current role.

My cup runneth over.
 

Karma

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I'm underwhelmed but even more concerned than when I woke up this morning.

Presumably he wasn't in any way responsible for the mismanagement and financial ineptitude at Wasps that has left them in a parlous state.

We don't need any lessons from Mr Vaughan in putting right our own parlous financial position as he seems not to have any relevant experience either at wasps or previous employment at Thomas Cook who likewise have had their own challenges. Of course, he will, if present at the EGM, say words to the effect that, " .....this was all before my time, the £1.9 mill set aside to deal with payments to former, sacked employees, was a small price to pay to guarantee Test Cricket at Headingley and continued on-field success of the cricket club. My job is to help steer the club to future financial success and solvency"

Was 'Fred the Shred' not available?
 
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