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Tykemania

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Just a thought about YJB, he seemed to have a bit of spare time that he filled in with golf.Get well soon YJB. The 'break' might do you some good and help to slow down the treadmill

People are talking of bringing Hales from Notts into the squad to replace YJB. I'm sure he's an excellent cricketer but I worry about how he would fill all that recreational time.

He's a bit of an odd-bod and I recall listening to a game this summer when it was pretty hot but it is alledged that he was using handwarmers.What's that about, is it a symptom of Reynards (?)disease ie cold in the extremities or something else?

Having met both on a number of occasions, I can verify that whilst Jonny is...somewhat less than a genius, Hales is properly, densely bone thick!
 
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DaveMorton

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Hales and Malan seem to be up there in the Hundred stats, but what about Lyth? Why does he never get a mention? And he's a proper cricketer, full package (okay, bowling a work in progress), great fieldsman. Hales is a donkey. I'm so pleased they haven't picked Roy, too, though I suppose they might, now.

They're all old, relatively. Why don't they stick our Harry in, or Aneurin Donald? Isn't it amazing what Paul Walter has done this season? He used to be an Essex carry-the-drinks, couldn't get in the side when they had ten Doeschate, Bopara, Wheater, etc. He got a hundred against us in the Champo at Chelmsford which, I think, was his first. Now he's scoring runs and taking wickets in every Hundred game.

I stood next to him at Scarborough once. He's seriously tall! Towers over the dwarfish Revis.
 

Donnylad

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Hales and Malan seem to be up there in the Hundred stats, but what about Lyth? Why does he never get a mention? And he's a proper cricketer, full package (okay, bowling a work in progress), great fieldsman. Hales is a donkey. I'm so pleased they haven't picked Roy, too, though I suppose they might, now.

They're all old, relatively. Why don't they stick our Harry in, or Aneurin Donald? Isn't it amazing what Paul Walter has done this season? He used to be an Essex carry-the-drinks, couldn't get in the side when they had ten Doeschate, Bopara, Wheater, etc. He got a hundred against us in the Champo at Chelmsford which, I think, was his first. Now he's scoring runs and taking wickets in every Hundred game.

I stood next to him at Scarborough once. He's seriously tall! Towers over the dwarfish Revis.
I think he played against us last season in Champo. He is tall, very tall and he scored runs when we thought we might have them going. He took a catch that most people would have needed a step ladder to reach.

Started off as a left arm medium quick in the leagues and got 'converted' into a middle order batsman I think.
 

Tykemania

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He was always relatively capable with the bat - but as you say, he came in to the first class game as a left armer with pretentions to pace. If I recall, he had a really bad case of the yips and at one point he was really struggling to land the ball on the cut strip.
 

Newby

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England have made the call to Hales to replace Bairstow in the T20 World Cup squad. I wouldn't have been my choice.
 

Karma

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I will be interested to see what happens here. Key says that Hales 'has served his time' ..... hmm. I can support the team I suppose, just as long as I don't have to support him.
Agree with you Donnylad. Served his time? Don't know if I can beleve that. Look what happened to YJB using his recreational time. Hales definately is a bit of an oddity .They'll just have to keep him busy especially when on tour.
 

tbsteve

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I feel he's been out too long. He's a talented cricketer and we're better with him in the team. Morgan should have put his personal feelings to one side.

Hales was caught taking recreational drugs - as a large proportion of the country has also done, but most of us didn't get caught. These weren't performance enhancers - and in my experience recreational drugs would have made it harder to play, not easier. Regardless, he made a mistake, got caught, and served his ban. Contrast to the Aussies who got Smith and Warner back in the team as soon as possible after being caught cheating!
 

Tykemania

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He was caught doing a bit more than recreational drugs, if you recall - there was also the small matter of cheating on his partner (the sister of one team mate) with the girlfriend of another teammate. I don't think it helped that he pooped on Morgan in the media, blaming him for a lack of support.

Is his recall a good selection? Short term, having lost Roy, Jonny and Morgan, you know what I can live with it - the likes of Will Jacks and Will Smeed are exciting players for the future but it might be a bit early for them to come in to the WC squad.
 

tbsteve

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I'd forgotten about that, though do remember him leaving Stokes in the ****. But at the end of the day they are professionals, not kids in the playground choosing their friends to play on their team. You don't have to like the guy to play with him - he's hardly going to drop a catch on purpose, or run someone out.

I would have allowed him to be considered for selection and put the focus on the top order earning their place on sporting merit.

I'm a big fan of Jacks, and Smeed looks a real special talent. With annual World Cups/Champions Trophies for the next decade (thanks ICC!), I don't think they'll have to wait too long.
 

Karma

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Wasn't there some discussion about him calling his dog a certain name which allegedly has racial overtones? I think Jofferino indirectly referred to this. People sometimes refer to me as Kevin too.

Regardless he might need a chaperone
 

tbsteve

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Well that was AR's testimony - an unsubstantiated allegation I think, and really wasn't part of the reasoning for him being frozen out.
 

Karma

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Oh, that's right, part of AR's evidence, sorry statement. I've no one reason to disbelieve it. True, not part of him been frozen out by his teammates but I just think he's strange. Wish the teams all the best overseas
 

Donnylad

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.... not deliberately dropping a catch .... I played for a while with a bloke called Terry ... if he didn't get on to bowl within about 10 overs then he suddenly developed butter fingers, the long barrier didn't work and his chasing the ball was reminiscent of a man taking his dog for a walk. If he wasn't at number 3 or 4 on the scorecard then you had to watch out for some very short singles and a lot of running 'just the one' when you had hit a good shot past a fielder but short of the ropes

The annoying thing was Terry was a good cricketer - he just needed to be in everyone's eye at all times .. and then he spent the evening telling everyone how good he had been. There were 2 captains and 2 vice-captains who were glad to see the back of him.

I suspect even pro cricketers feel that way about some team colleagues.
 

tbsteve

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Maybe, but one of the distinctives of being a professional is that in theory they wouldn't. I'm writing an article at the moment on professionalism in education and it has the definition of professionalism as including 'expertise, governance, autonomy, and accountability'. Pro cricketers are paid a lot and should be able to park their personal feelings to one side whilst playing, and be held accountable for giving 100%. It seems to me that the problem was with Morgan refusing to act professionally upon Hales completing his ban, rather than the problem being with Hales.
 

DaveMorton

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I agree that being done for recreational drugs should have no impact on future selection, apart from the performance-damaging aspect. As Sobers said, I had to make runs, because I'd have been dropped for being a drunk if I hadn't.

But I would question the selection of 'an unpleasant fellow'. A team is a joint effort (pardon the pun) and good teams look after one another. I would not want a selfish player in my team, but you have to weigh up the pros and cons of having a Boycott, or a Pietersen, or a Hales. They might all be fine, splendid chaps - but I suspect they're not.

I played with one or two 'Terrys'. Good players, because no one would have picked them if they weren't. I opened the batting with one of them, a super little player in the Barry Wood mould. All he needed was praise, I think, but that can be difficult when the scorebook reads .....1/.....1/.. for several overs. Then he scampers a 2 for himself, but won't run yours.

I played with a tall left-hander at college. If you were on strike, 5th or 6th ball of an over, he would shout, "Not coming!" in an annoying posh voice. I accepted that he was twice as good as me, but farming the strike in a top-order partnership is a bit much.
 

Karma

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Josh and Harry Sullivan together with Tom Loten are being 'released' by YCCC. In one sense I wish they could find a different word; it implies they've left the cage door open for them to walk out. I don't think we can talk about putting on the transfer list because cricket doesn't work like that. Must be a better euphemism or maybe not?

I know it's not unique, but it does seem strange to have a captain who is not yet capped.

Particularly when his cunning plan to try something different certainly worked and stopped the South African getting another ton against Yorkshire. I'll bet he'll take it one stage further on Thursday, borrow Lythy's battered bleached Yorkshire cap, put it on back to front and bowl Boycott-style at Croft. You never know, it might again work again.
 

Tykemania

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Interesting decisions - Josh Sullivan I expected when he didn't make the RLODC squads, but Harry looked a reasonable bowler, and has the advantage over Shutt of being a left armer, so less similar to Bess. Loten...I would have advocated for earlier in the year, but he did sort of impress in the RLODC and we are starting to look a little thin in terms of depth again - I mean, thats three in (one of them one of our Overseas slots) and seven out.
 

Newby

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Difficult decisions have to be made unfortunately. I am rather surprised with the Harry Sullivan one, he looked to have something about him.
Best of luck to all three of them, whatever road they decide to go down.
 
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