No ball!

Donnylad

Well-known member
Sparked by a memory I posted about elsewhere....

A quiz question for these dark days. I failed this one miserably, well short of the actual number.

How many different ways might an umpire be able to call 'no-ball'?
 

DaveMorton

Well-known member
Quite a few I can think of. Some of them are Rules of Competition rather than Laws of Cricket.

Laws of Cricket
1. Back foot outside or just touching return crease (or its forward extension - people much younger than me will not remember they had to change the crease markings when they changed from back-foot to front-foot back in the 1960s.
2. Front foot - if no part is behind the popping crease, grounded or raised, when the foot lands.
3. Bowler 'distracting' batsman by dislodging bails, the Smith/Finn law.
4. More than 2 fielders behind square on legside.
5. Wicket-keeper taking ball in front of stumps.
6. Beamer: full toss above waist high.
7. Throwing the ball / illegal delivery, if batsman not informed of change of action.

Possibly some more.
8? If it's no ball for inadvertently distracting the batsman, what is the penalty for doing it on purpose? No ball? Or penalty runs?
9? The intimidatory bowling law is still in the book, superseded by 'quotas' of bouncers in f-c competitions. Is the penalty for 'persistent bowling of short-pitched, fast balls' a no ball + warning, as for a single beamer? I think it is.
10? Fieldsman standing with foot on mown strip?
11? Ball bouncing more than twice? No ball or dead ball?

I should read the Laws. But then again...no thanks.

Rules of Competition
No idea! Head high or over head high? No ball or wide? 1 an over or 2 an over?
There are Junior rules about distance, but these should be dead ball rather than no ball, I guess?

When I started playing, there was only the two, back foot in the bowling-crease / return-crease box, and the throw / illegal delivery. The two behind law came in in the 1950s, the wicket-keeper wasn't allowed to stump you if he took the ball in front, but it wasn't a no ball. None of the other stuff at all.
 

Hawke

Administrator
Staff member
Oh dear this is becoming a painful day for my memories of being a callow youth in the East Riding Amateur League. This was time I was the umpire!
I painfully recall wrongly no-balling the leading Hessle opening bowler. I think I had the front foot rule confused.....he was not impressed
And as a square leg umpire I once no-balled the opposition for having two fieldsmen behind square leg.....I think they thought I should have warned them.......
 

DaveMorton

Well-known member
I remember giving a boy not out in a school match, on an awful pitch - our pitch! - the ball flew from a length, hit something in a flurry of arms and bat and gloves, and was caught. I hadn't a clue what it had hit, so I gave it not out. The boy then called for a plaster for his finger, which was bleeding!

I wasn't cheating, but there were some disgraceful schoolteacher cheats around. We played the great Manchester Grammar (their assessment) in an U14 or 15 Cup match, and they resorted to bowling leg-breaks round the wicket at our County player. They weren't that bright, or they would have done it at their umpire's end!

Our umpire (not me) gave them all not out, and after the game was asked why, the clear inference being that he was a cheat. He explained that a batsman can't be out lbw if the ball pitches outside leg, even playing no stroke. "Under the circumstances," said their teacher, "I would have overlooked that rule."

The circumstances being MGS getting stuffed by a load of Comprehensive oiks, presumably. I think one of their batsman was also stumped off a wide in that game, which was also argued against vehemently, until I showed the guy the Law in the book. They were even worse at rugby.
 

Donnylad

Well-known member
DM gave these below and is quite correct about the Laws and the Rules of a Competition creating no ball decisions.
The ones in red are correct.
DM can umpire on any of my matches!!

Laws of Cricket
1. Back foot outside or just touching return crease (or its forward extension - people much younger than me will not remember they had to change the crease markings when they changed from back-foot to front-foot back in the 1960s.
2. Front foot - if no part is behind the popping crease, grounded or raised, when the foot lands.
3. Bowler 'distracting' batsman by dislodging bails, the Smith/Finn law.
4. More than 2 fielders behind square on legside.
5. Wicket-keeper taking ball in front of stumps. -
or moving any part of body before ball hits, bat, batsman or passes the line of the stumps

6. Beamer: full toss above waist high. - there are 2 sorts of beamer no-ball ......
7. Throwing the ball / illegal delivery, if batsman not informed of change of action. - needs a bit of expansions/explanation

Possibly some more.
8? If it's no ball for inadvertently distracting the batsman, what is the penalty for doing it on purpose? No ball? Or penalty runs? - seemingly not a no ball provding none of the other circumstances apply meaning it is OK to sing the National Anthem whilst running up ...

9? The intimidatory bowling law is still in the book, superseded by 'quotas' of bouncers in f-c competitions. Is the penalty for 'persistent bowling of short-pitched, fast balls' a no ball + warning, as for a single beamer? I think it is.
10? Fieldsman standing with foot on mown strip?
11? Ball bouncing more than twice?
No ball or dead ball? - it is a no ball

So DM and anyone else, in all cricket circumstances the 8 red coloured calls are correct .............. just another ........ SIXTEEN ..... to find ... and only THREE of these apply just to specific competitions!!
 

DaveMorton

Well-known member
I can expand/explain the one I labelled #7.
The original throwing law said 'the ball shall be bowled, not thrown or jerked' and this was the Law when the likes of Lock, Meckiff, Griffin....right up to Murali were no balled. By then cameras had improved enough to make more accurate judgments, and the Law, as applied to professional cricket, involves a process of reporting and correction, as with Adam Lyth, most recently.

I assume the 'recreational game' still operates under the original law?

The part about 'change of action' refers to bowling over the wicket or round, left arm or right arm, underarm or overarm. If you change, you must inform the umpire who, in turn, tells the batsman. I'm not sure whether underarm bowling was outlawed from all cricket following the Trevor Chappell fiasco, or just from the top-level game.

Two kinds of 'beamer'? Intentional or accidental? Fast or slow? The Law used to say that the deliberate bowling of fast full-tosses is unfair. Not clear about accidental ones. I once received 11 of these out of the first 12 in a match from a lad who was quick enough to have opened the bowling for England U15. Now, a few years on, he had a horrible case of yips, and I accepted totally that he was not doing it on purpose, but I pointed out that this was ridiculous. He wasn't no balled, no one fell out, they just took him off; 2 overs, 2 maidens, and not a mark on the ball....nor on me, thankfully.

I think any full toss above waist height is now a no ball, but the first warning, final warning process only happens if the delivery is both at the batsman and fast. How 'fast' is defined, I haven't a clue.

So, that may be two more, leaving just fourteen! I haven't a clue. Most of the other stuff I can think of is either penalty runs (fielder putting gloves on to catch throw, for example), or is simply a dead ball (close-catchers talking during bowler's run up).

Incorrect number of fielders inside/outside the circle would be another. Fielding circles are now generally used at least at the higher end of the recreational game.

Is the sneaky moving of a fielder behind the batsman a no ball? As mentioned by Hawke elsewhere. I think I would call dead ball, if I was umpiring, and it happened. I would not call the captain an effing cheat, nor the fieldsman, but I might just say 'Not the done thing, old boy.'

We had an Irishman in the T20 WC bowling left-arm spin occasionally from 24 yards. Is it a no ball if you deliver the ball from behind the umpire? Is it a no ball if the bowler collides with the umpire in delivery, and still bowls it, of course? I would have guessed dead ball. Presumably it's a no ball if you bowl a piece of fruit, these po-faced days, as Johnny Wardle used to do first over after tea at Scarborough. That's literally a no ball! Probably a life ban and a compulsory re-education course, in 2022.
 

Donnylad

Well-known member
In view of DM's masterclass in the deeper depths of the no-ball, LUFC's remarkable recent exploits and because Rovers were totally outplayed by King's Lynn yesterday I have attached the link to the 'answers'.

They make interesting reading. No ball!!

BTW - just to make matters worse Kings Lynn played in a strip that was pink with subdued yellow stripes .... pink!
They are sponsored by a company that sells interior furnishings etc. - a company from Spalding ... which ha s a perfectly good football team of its own.

That and the fact that it is miserable and raining here makes my Sunday - the only enjoyable thing being Australia's inability to qualify for a WC competition in their own back yard.
 

Karma

Well-known member
In view of DM's masterclass in the deeper depths of the no-ball, LUFC's remarkable recent exploits and because Rovers were totally outplayed by King's Lynn yesterday I have attached the link to the 'answers'.

They make interesting reading. No ball!!

BTW - just to make matters worse Kings Lynn played in a strip that was pink with subdued yellow stripes .... pink!
They are sponsored by a company that sells interior furnishings etc. - a company from Spalding ... which ha s a perfectly good football team of its own.

That and the fact that it is miserable and raining here makes my Sunday - the only enjoyable thing being Australia's inability to qualify for a WC competition in their own back yard.
Just brilliant, I've learned a lot, great link to such a comprehensive and crystal clear article about No Balls.

As for Kings Lynn, I must confess I don't like 'em. A couple of years ago when towards the end of the season, York City were top of Conference North the season was cut short due to Covid. Kings Lynn's form had gone and their manager admitted that this came at the right time for them. The league worked out that KL were promoted by a miniscule fraction of points per game and York were robbed.

Next season though KL were relegated as York were promoted on merit ie by winning games. Looks as though KL might gain promotion this season if their form holds out and I'll be happy if we play them in 2023/24 season.

Sad for the Aussies but I'd be a liar if I' didn't say YIPPEE!!!!!
 

Hawke

Administrator
Staff member
I once walked round the King's Lynn ground early one Sat morning on a long weekend there. I was welcomed by an official who greeted me as if I was a match sponsor or even investor! Very friendly.
 
Top