New EGM set for November 11th.

Newby

Well-known member
I'd probably write it in your diary in pencil. November the 11th is a Friday, venue Long room at 6 pm.

The code of conduct nonsense remains, all very sensible if you trust those entrusted with seeing it is used fairly. I'm not one of those.

Rule change to allow new members to vote without having to wait 12 months remains.

New bit about the Chairman opposing any reduction in CC fixtures unless members agree.

2 proposed new Board members, both long term Yorkshire members: John Jackson a family law Barrister with links to local cricket, and Richard Levin, 15 years on the members committee.

It's the night of the RLWC first semi final at Elland Road.
 

Hawke

Administrator
Staff member
Then I will be there....at the RL Cup semi final! Where will members park? Sounds a daft clash. Do they realise? Is it a cunning plan?

Code of Conduct can easily be abused by those in authority.
Good about the CC.
Voting amendment sounds alright.
New Board members seem okay.
 

Karma

Well-known member
Yes, already pencilled in. So much for the promise by the acting CEO at the last member's forum to hold the EGM 'soon and on a Saturday'.
'Soon' is not far off 2 months whilst Friday evening isn't going to be all that convenient for many members struggling to get to and through Leeds on a Friday evening.

I had already voted in anticipation of the last (cancelled), EGM, specifically against the Member's Code which gives power to the club to subsequently change the definition of the Code without consulting members. I'll vote against, again.

Still, signing the petition was worthwhile to compel the club to vote in line with members wishes about not reducing CC games.

It would appear those 'Important or leading Members' (Yesterday's men) who wanted to vote out the current management haven't been able to get enough member signatures on their petition to carry out their plans.

Still very angry about the last EGM being cancelled at short notice and for a fatuous 'reason' after I'd altered my holiday to attend. Petty, I know.
 

Donnylad

Well-known member
I suppose they could find a better alternative venue ... downstairs in a dark cellar with a couple of sabre-toothed tigers guarding the door?
 

DaveMorton

Well-known member
I don't like the voting amendment. Has new members being unable to vote ever been a problem? So why the need for change? It smacks of an attempt to manipulate votes, and I will vote against it, as I will the Code of Conduct, probably. I don't need anyone to tell me how to behave, and I am more concerned about the behaviour of Club officials than about anything that may occur in the stands. However, I will read it in detail before voting.
 

Newby

Well-known member
I don't like the voting amendment. Has new members being unable to vote ever been a problem? So why the need for change? It smacks of an attempt to manipulate votes, and I will vote against it, as I will the Code of Conduct, probably. I don't need anyone to tell me how to behave, and I am more concerned about the behaviour of Club officials than about anything that may occur in the stands. However, I will read it in detail before voting.
I have to agree about the voting amendment. There has been a problem that if you buy your first membership in April say, you wouldn't at present be able to vote in the AGM were it due to take place as it often does the following March.

This is a bit of a nonsense and perhaps 6 months would be more reasonable.

Talk of a very cheap membership option, allied to the instant vote sounds a bit suspicious, especially given the current lack of trust between the club and the membership.
 

Karma

Well-known member
I have to agree about the voting amendment. There has been a problem that if you buy your first membership in April say, you wouldn't at present be able to vote in the AGM were it due to take place as it often does the following March.

This is a bit of a nonsense and perhaps 6 months would be more reasonable.

Talk of a very cheap membership option, allied to the instant vote sounds a bit suspicious, especially given the current lack of trust between the club and the membership.
Isn't that how the Labour Party got Corbyn?

Must have been a Tory plot to stay in power (which has backfired given the recent incumbents)
 

Newby

Well-known member
A letter to members from LP and an update on the club's 'stated' attitude to the ECB review on the club website.
 

Karma

Well-known member
I attended the EGM last Friday, though I've been away for a few days, didn't make contemporaneous notes and will attempt to give my spin on what happened. others might take a different view, like witnesses to a car crash.

The numbers attending was pretty small compared to previous AGM's EGM's or Member's forum during last game of season.

The new CEO Mr. Vaughan, was not in attendance (sadly being at the funeral of his granny) so Mr. Dawson did most of the top table talking, introducing resolutions in turn and after any board members comments, asking members if there were any questions. In relation to Code of Conduct a gentleman indicated he had a question, given microphone and then proceeded to give a monologue - he was responsible for the Code of Conduct at Leeds United, said how good it was to have one and was pleased with result (they've banned three LU supporters recently). When challenged from the floor about his actual question, he didn't have one and the suspicion is that he was invited by the board to help sell the idea!

All the resolutions were passed, based 2/3 majority but upon a miniscule number of votes. Quite pathetic really.

At times the meeting became somewhat fractious as members tried to make their own points. One gentleman who described himself as the head of a trade union said words to the effect that he fully supported the sacking of those employees who signed' that letter' as this saved the Club. There was uproar and I must admit I never thought I'd hear those words about fellow workers being sacked from a union man. Again, there was some suspicion from people near me and those I spoke to later that it was another 'plant'.

Lord Patel of Bradford was present at the top table but as far as I can recollect did not make any comments or public statements during the EGM

Neil Snowball, Director of County Cricket at the ECB (and ex-head of Warwickshire CCC) then gave an open and entertaining view on the High-Level Review and was also very happy to answer questions. Strangely enough in the audience was a gentleman who is both a YCCC member and also a Warwickshire CCC member and was actually interviewed by Neil Snowball when he first applied to join Warks (that was their procedure then) When passed the microphone he was mentioned by name by a board member and he made a sweeping comment about the Yorkshire membership to the effect that the membership is part of the problem and it was about time for 'you to move on and give the club your full support' . This was not popular, and one person interjected that it was 'presumptuous for him to take the moral high ground'.

Then our Director of Cricket, Darren Gough, gave a very honest, impassioned and extensive explanation of performance on and off the field , mentioning teams and individuals. He started though by basically complaining that the players facilities are extremely poor, changing room, nets, etc not fit for purpose for Yorkshire (or International) players and those at Weetwood or York Cricket Club were better. He said there has been a shortage of proper investment made by successive Boards, including this one (Lord P didn't even blink)

Darren then invited questions which included two really 'hot' ones being effectively ' why did the club sack Pattinson' and ' Did he think it right to sack all those who signed that letter?' In answer to the first he explained that at the start of the season, Steve Pattinson had told ho that he was retiring at the end of the season and that's what he did (having changed his mind a couple of times) Darren didn't attempt to answer the second question which was outside his brief . Neither did someone else sat on the top table.


After the formal session several people approached Darren to indicate an almost apology for the question to him in the first place, amongst other things

Two points came out during more informal comments, being first of all that the new fixture list will (I believe) be issued of 22nd November and secondly, there will be some kind of Carol singing for club members (and others) on 16th December. There was a vicar there (suddenly appeared) and although Christmas is a Christian festival, it's open to all who like a good sing song. Think the message is getting through to YCCC employees who read forums.
 

Newby

Well-known member
Thanks Karma, gutted I only got as far as York and had to turn back due to a domestic emergency.

I'm sure if I had made it, I would have left fuming, totally helpless and even further alienated from my club than I am already.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the current management came up with the ripping wheeze to plant a few stooges in the audience. It's going to take a seismic shift for this member to believe anything they say going forward. They got the amendments through, I never thought they wouldn't, voting on these things is something I have never trusted, but that goes way back through many boards and lots of years.

We will have to see how they use their new powers now. To get rid of a few foul-mouthed drunks, or to silence any opposition.

I'm equally sure Darren Gough gave an honest appreciation of how he sees things from the playing side. He may have been the right man for the situation we found ourselves in and I applaud him for that but I'm less confident he's the man to take the team forward. I hope I am proved wrong on that one.

Mid way through November, I look forward to the fixtures being released this month, that might be the only good news we see concerning the club now until Christmas and beyond.
 
Well done Karma. I was there and what you produce is an accurate and comprehensive report. I too left feeling that the meeting was populated by a somewhat different crowd to the one at the last home game, and was surprised that Leeds United was brought into it. Just a few additional points. There was a good question asking why the suggested direction of travel for the County Championship in the Strauss Review was down, when it should be up so that there were 2 leagues of 9, which would allow for much greater sporting integrity (admittedly a hobby horse of mine!). Mr Snowball replied honestly that there was time pressure, but also agreed that playing everybody twice would give more integrity. I got the feeling he agreed with the suggested amendment, but couldn’t openly support it. Darren Gough, and indeed Andy Dawson, came over honestly. Both had met with the ECB and suggested a reduced timescale for the Hundred to allow more Summer Championship games. Finally Gough also suggested that once Patterson had indicated he would like to carry on next year, he asked him to meet with Gibson. Ultimately it appeared as if Gibson made the decision that Patto wouldn’t be a first choice player next season, and on that basis he would have been an expensive reserve. Personally I would have been amazed if Patto didn’t make the 1st team at the start and end of the season, but it ultimately appears as if it was the Coaches call.
 

Newby

Well-known member
Of course this is professional sport of which I have little knowledge except as a spectator.

It sounds a bit clunky, Patterson, the club captain having to arrange a meeting with Gibson to discuss his future. I would hope for an ongoing, open and honest dialogue between the two people in those positions and the decision to be made jointly, albeit with the coach having the final say.

In my mind it brings into question Gibson's relationship with the players, and whether he is actually involved day to day with them. Have we got a coach or a cricket manager.
 

Hawke

Administrator
Staff member
Thanks Karma and HO for your insight. Sounds like some odd comments were made in amongst.
 

Donnylad

Well-known member
Of course this is professional sport of which I have little knowledge except as a spectator.

It sounds a bit clunky, Patterson, the club captain having to arrange a meeting with Gibson to discuss his future. I would hope for an ongoing, open and honest dialogue between the two people in those positions and the decision to be made jointly, albeit with the coach having the final say.

In my mind it brings into question Gibson's relationship with the players, and whether he is actually involved day to day with them. Have we got a coach or a cricket manager.
... or put that another way have we got a coach? .... or a cricket manager? .... or something less than either or both?

Sorry about the mashed grammar DM but it is really is starting to look as if OG is neither fish nor fowl.
 

DaveMorton

Well-known member
One piece of good news, then. Fixtures out a week from now, and I can book my hotels, cricket and non-cricket.
I can see myself being drawn increasingly to the Club game, which is the real heart and soul of cricket, after all.
 
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