ECB hearings

Donnylad

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I have started anew thread for this.

Disciplinary proceedings over charges resulting from racism allegations at Yorkshire will take place in public.

The England and Wales Cricket Board's Disciplinary Commission made the decision after preliminary hearings took place on 17 and 18 October.
The move is unprecedented - the Cricket Disciplinary Commission usually operates in private.


Gough, some bloke from Thompson's travel via Wasps, LP, OG ... The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse if these hearings are as bad as I think they will be.

It is winter, little cricket (after the T20 stuff), football world Cup somewhere in the sandpit ...... what else will they fill the papers with?????

What possible outcomes could there be?

We were relegated so they cannot make that happen .... can you be relegated to Minor Counties cricket????
Starting the season with a points deduction?
No Test matches?
Compulsory winter training courses on dressing room etiquette?
Any other options?
 

DaveMorton

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There's the option of finding us not guilty, or at least of testing the allegations under normal rules of evidence. It is to be applauded that the proceedings will be in public, a cornerstone of our legal system. Now, will the accused be allowed to speak? To cross-examine? To present evidence?
 

Newby

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It has been established that the CDC don't have the power to strip Yorkshire of International matches, mind you if the club goes bust anyway and can't fulfil its commitments that would be a moot point.

It could turn into a bit of a show trial to demonstrate how tough the new ECB can be and as a method of drawing the sting out of the ICEC report which they continue to kick down the tracks.

Alternatively, the ICEC report will have to come out sometime, and if they are particularly tough with Yorkshire and the individuals concerned then they might be forced to dish out some equally tough penalties down the line to some high profile former and current players and administrators.
 

Hawke

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Staff member
Yes in public. I initially thought that was like the Parliamentary sub-committee, on camera....given the approach from the MPs just one-sided and intimidatory. So I was very wary. But I really hope the 'defendants' have the legal backing and advice that AR clearly has.
 

tbsteve

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Maybe being in public will convince some like AG to take part. Given that many had to sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their settlements, this could be their only chance to get their side across in the public domain! I for one hope they all mount a vigorous defence and get a fair hearing, there's been far too much biased reporting in terms of AR's claims. IT might be uncomfortable, but the truth needs to come out for the club to go forward together. Who knows, it might even lead to Patel standing down when his actions are brought under the spotlight (ok unlikely, but I can dream for now)
 

Hawke

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I suspect AR's team have pushed for this because they have pushed tons of money and legal minds at it. They will be prepared. Michael V has apparently spent quite a lot on his defence. Hope the others are as well briefed, supported and advised. Justice is not always just. It can be paid for.
 

Karma

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'The ECB has accused Azeem Rafiq of holding it to ransom with his "ultimatum" to hold Yorkshire's racism trial in public '
- according to the Daily Telegraph.

I hope the accusation is not that he's difficult or needy as I remember what happened to a group of individuals who put words to that effect in writing.
 

Karma

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It has been established that the CDC don't have the power to strip Yorkshire of International matches, mind you if the club goes bust anyway and can't fulfil its commitments that would be a moot point.

It could turn into a bit of a show trial to demonstrate how tough the new ECB can be and as a method of drawing the sting out of the ICEC report which they continue to kick down the tracks.

Alternatively, the ICEC report will have to come out sometime, and if they are particularly tough with Yorkshire and the individuals concerned then they might be forced to dish out some equally tough penalties down the line to some high profile former and current players and administrators.
Recent advert from the cricket authorities - " Wanted on 25-year lease: Farming land. Must be able to support long grass"
 

Newby

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They could ask Sir Cook if he has a piece of fallow land on his farm going spare. Essex seems to be next in the firing line and have good reason to try and keep this back as long as possible.
 

Hawke

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Staff member
Maybe being in public will convince some like AG to take part. Given that many had to sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their settlements, this could be their only chance to get their side across in the public domain! I for one hope they all mount a vigorous defence and get a fair hearing, there's been far too much biased reporting in terms of AR's claims. IT might be uncomfortable, but the truth needs to come out for the club to go forward together. Who knows, it might even lead to Patel standing down when his actions are brought under the spotlight (ok unlikely, but I can dream for now)
So the 5 charged are MV, AG, GB, MH and TB I think. And AG has said he was cleared by the YCCC enquiry and has no confidence in the system. So none of the sacked are appearing.
 

Karma

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I find it unhealthy that everyone is falling over themselves to acquiesce to Mr Rafiq's demands but to nobody else's.

There is a degree of unfairness to this continuing process and lack of natural justice. I understand, unlike the Select Committee fiasco or a proper court of law, there is no immunity for anyone making a statement in public.

This thing is to be broadcast on-line I think from 28th November.
 

Karma

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Maybe being in public will convince some like AG to take part. Given that many had to sign non-disclosure agreements as part of their settlements, this could be their only chance to get their side across in the public domain! I for one hope they all mount a vigorous defence and get a fair hearing, there's been far too much biased reporting in terms of AR's claims. IT might be uncomfortable, but the truth needs to come out for the club to go forward together. Who knows, it might even lead to Patel standing down when his actions are brought under the spotlight (ok unlikely, but I can dream for now)
Today is Lord Patel's 1st year anniversary
as appointed chair. Don't wish to be unkind but I hope there isn't another.
 

Newby

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I think he can do a lot more damage even if he doesn't last until the start of next season.

I expect at the next DCMS hearing he will pile on the agony about the abuse he has taken and try and show how nasty and racist those who don't share his thinking are. Plus, I know we are deep in debt already, but I'm afraid he might try and shift the debt on even worse terms.
 

tbsteve

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Agree re the DCMS hearings - it'd be good to have Kunwar Bansil there to testify and bring some balance. I can't imagine him doing anything with the debt, I doubt we really have many options anyway.
 

Hawke

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Staff member
So is it live on the internet? That is pressure.... I imagine AR's backers are training him every day... hope the 5 have been properly advised....MV's career in the media is on the line so he has invested in a legal team....
 

Karma

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As far as I'm aware it is live on the Internet.

No point it not being live, unless they want to edit it (whoever they are) in which case it would not be 'public'.
 

Hawke

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Right. I assumed public meant the press could attend and as many of the public as could fit in the room....like court. To repeat, hope the 'defendants' are not over-awed by this, which is possibly what AR's backers are hoping......hmmmmm
 

byased

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i think I heard that a murder trial was held on TV the other week. Looks like we are heading back to the days of crowds flocking to watch public executions. Strange lot, the human race. Get upset my murders etc, then buy the book and go and see the film, and watch the trial if poss.
 
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