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Karma

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Ok, still football, livestream and York City last Saturday 10th December.

York who haven't won a game in weeks have been sliding down the table have a new manager supposed to be making his debut. Unfortunately he's in hospital with Covid and a lung infection, speedy recovery I hope.

Woking were in 3rd position in the league are undefeated for a couple of months. I watched the livestream, picture quality and camera work 1st class, commentary very clear if a little biased. Woking players seemed 6 inches taller than York's , stronger faster and dominated first half. York were reduced to 10 men when late tackle led to York central defender being sent off (strongly disagree with this as there were more Woking attackers near goal ) . However York just dug deep and scored two goals the last one on about 89 minutes. Ref allowed 9 (nine!) minutes extra time but York held on to win 0 - 2 and take all 3 points. Brilliant and for me pretty exciting but obviously not quite like being there.

I'll certainly use this Livestream again even at the full price of £9.50 and providing the 2-week trial leads to regular service.
 
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byased

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Good win. I may tune in for one of the games at some stage.
Forest Green won for the second time on the bounce. May go on New Years day, and take various family members, bit of corporate hospitality and vegan buffet!
Baggies on Sky tonight. Everyone thinks we are going to launch a promotion bid, but seem to forget we are currently in the bottom three.
 

Newby

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Just coming down from the World Cup, I think I always knew the French would be too strong for us but the penalty miss made it worse.

I suspect France will win the whole thing, but I'm temporarily a Morocco fan for now.
 

DaveMorton

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Baggies won, away too. Back in the summer of 1962, I spent some months living in the apprentices hostel of English Electric, outside Stafford. One of the lads there was a mad West Brom fan, always going on about Derek Kevan, would it have been?

The name cropped up recently, I think. One of the players with brain damage from too much heading? I played about two games of soccer in my life, as an outfielder, and tried to head the ball just the once. It was like being hit with a bag of sand. I subsequently played in goal and enjoyed it, even though I was then 40+. Big ball, easy to catch, and they didn't even kick you when you dived on it!
 
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byased

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Baggies won, away too. Back in the summer of 1962, I spent some months living in the apprentices hostel of England Electric, outside Stafford. One of the lads there was a mad West Brom fan, always going on about Derek Kevan, would it have been?

The name cropped up recently, I think. One of the players with brain damage from too much heading? I played about two games of soccer in my life, as an outfielder, and tried to head the ball just the once. It was like being hit with a bag of sand. I subsequently played in goal and enjoyed it, even though I was then 40+. Big ball, easy to catch, and they didn't even kick you when you dived on it!
I just missed Derek Kevan, I think he was transferred to Crystal Palace in 1963, just before my first game. He was known as "The Tank", an old fashioned centre forward, who scored a few goals for England. He died quite a while ago now, not sure about the cause, but those old footballs were heavy, and a large number of players from the past have suffered subsequently.
 

Capybara

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Derek Kevan was a Yorkshireman from Ripon. I've heard my uncle say that Kevan played for Harrogate Town but if he did he never played for the first team according to my Harrogate Town history. More likely he was known as a junior on the local Harrogate football scene in the very early 50s before being signed by Bradford Park Avenue. He scored twice for England in World Cup matches.
 

byased

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Yes, you are right, I have just checked him out on the Baggies old players site. Albion signed him from Bradford PA, he scored 157 goals in 262 games for us, quite a record. He was sold to Chelsea and then Manchester City before going to Crystal Palace in 1965. he scored 48 goals in 67 games for Manchester city in 1963 to 65 (then in division 2) and scored 8 goals in 14 appearances for England. Quite a player, shame I just missed him. He died in 2013. aged 77, not sure if heavy footballs contributed to that, but I guess 77 was a fair age for someone who had had a long career, plus national service etc.
 

Newby

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Fantastic World Cup comes to an end with a very good game of football and Argentina taking the spoils, deservedly I think. Certainly most neutral fans will have wanted to see Messi finish on a high.

Argentinian president decided to stay at home and watch it on TV as he didn't want to risk bringing the team bad luck. President Macron couldn't resist the chance to get himself on camera.

For England good news that Gareth Southgate is staying on at least until the Euro's, there's nobody I can think of knocking down the door to replace him.

Back to normal for a while.
 

Karma

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Couldn't agree more better final than for a long time I've forgiven Rattin (?) from 1966
So I'm pleased the Argentina won on form the World Cup. Nothing to do with France beating England by strength.

And Southgate has been a brilliant manager glad he's staying .After Robson my next favourite England manager was Joe Mercer only a temporary one but he was always smiling when being interviewed. and reasonably successful in his short career
 

Hawke

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I tuned in for the last 25 mins at 2-0 and was riveted for over an hour. Compelling stuff. Wow! Some finale!
 

byased

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My various Argentina bets came up, and I think they were the best team overall. France were a bit like Muhammad Ali with his "rope a dope" tactic , they took all the punishment for 80 mins and then launched a counter attack. I think they contributed a lot to the tournament and were worthy runners up.
Talking to an old mate on Friday, and he thinks Southgate is too defensive. I tend to agree. We relied on penalties against France, who scored two from open play, so deserved to win in my opinion. Morocco had many more shots at Loris in the semi than we did in the previous game. Decent bloke though, not like Don Revie (oops!) I liked Joe Mercer, although he did spoil a day out at Wembley for me as manager of Manchester City in the 1970 league Cup final.
5 wins on the bounce for the Baggies, and a team in blue and white shirts wins the world cup, boing boing!
 

Donnylad

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I didn't watch, I just used text scores. But I was rivetted to the text when my other half said France were 0-2. I just flipped over for a look and stayed for am hour.

Rattin, Maradonna, Messi ... they have improved over the years.

BTW Derek 'The Tank' Kevan was in the set of 50 famous footballer cigarette cards that I had as a kid.

Quick quiz questions ........ which famous Derek and which other 'tank' played for opposing clubs in the north of England?
 

byased

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i am thinking of Derek Dooley? and presumably someone from Sheffield United? Trevor Ford?
I probably have those cards, have got most football sets now from 1950s to 1980s. He is in quite a lot of sets in the late 50s early 60s.
 

Karma

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Wow I didn't realise that England won a World Cup .

However they have won the cup in Quatar for Fair Play. I thought that France were physically strong agiainst us and some of their physicality went unpunished. We are a physically strong team but we don't use that to the lengths that other teams do.

While I am pleased that when a bad tackle is executed on an England player they don't rollover twenty times a s though theyv'e been mortally wounded, maybe a stronger more physical approach from our boys might get even better results. I am proud of them though
 

Donnylad

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Sad news indeed. remember seeing news film clips (telecine?) of the world cup in Sweden when everyone just kicked Pele (as they did in those days) and he just got up an got on with it - Grealish and company please note.

Answer to the question above - Derek Dooley is of course correct and the other tank is Alan 'Sherman tank' Birchenall. Birchenall's wife was known as the 'tank commander'.
 
Thought it might be timely for me to bump this thread! Sport should be about glory, the more it gets about finance the more it loses its appeal. There is no more glorious football weekend than the 3rd round of the FA cup! I thought this even before this weekend!
 

Karma

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Thought it might be timely for me to bump this thread! Sport should be about glory, the more it gets about finance the more it loses its appeal. There is no more glorious football weekend than the 3rd round of the FA cup! I thought this even before this weekend!

And I'll bet you're thinking about it all the more now Hillsborough owl , though personally I've always preferred the other Sheffield team.


Only joking, well done, enjoy the moment and best of luck with the draw for the next round!
 

DaveMorton

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I actually watched a bit of the Wrexham match - in Welsh. It was on before the rugby match on S4C. I also saw a few minutes near the end of the Sheffield Wednesday game, live.

Usually, when I watch soccer, I find it slow and lacking in passion. No one ever runs! But these two games were like the stuff I used to watch (Match of the Day) in my youth, just lacking the two-footed sliding tackles and the charges on goalkeepers. I can understand how the former was outlawed, but what was wrong with a bit of shoulder on shoulder?

Now what happens when these 'minnows' play the multi-millionaires? Can't they up the tempo and kick them a bit? Or do they try to match them at chess footsy-ball, and inevitably lose?
 
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Newby

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Good second half in the Wednesday/Newcastle game and a great result. Just got in to find my team, Leeds United, two down at half-time to a Championship club. Cardiff were always a bogy team for us, I hope we can pull it round in the 2nd half but if you don't put out your best team you often get what you deserve.
 
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