association football

[Karma]

Who's the Forest Green Rovers fan on here? Anyway, that's where I was yesterday. Not a great game and very cold but an exciting finish. And a lovely couple of pints in the Village Inn, home of the Nailsworth Brewery, afterwards.

I'm not exactly a fan but I admire them and particularly their owner. He was I think a former butcher who when he packed that in and bought FGR went veggie , well vegan I believe, only catering on the ground is totally meat-free and many of the players too have meat-free diets.

I support York city who didn't turn up at the game you watched last week. Yesterday I saw them play very well against (Hollywood star owned) Wrexham - York battled for a hard fought draw. Freezing cold better than tv.

Tuesday I'm going to watch Farsley v Kings Lynn in National League North, I'll be rooting for Farsley but really I'm a neutral, just like live footy and cricket

 

[Donnylad]

Very impressed with Tyler Adams and I think we (LUFC) have a gem there. On transfer deadline day we were within a gnats whisker of signing Gakpo, who was also impressive for the Dutch.

Looking forward to the England game tonight, love those Senegal fans who spell out the team's name. Hope England win but I'm not that bothered if they don't, however, if they do reach the quarter-finals I might start taking their chances more seriously and get anxious.

Donnylad Junior ((who is Leeds through and through) told me that he understands pulled out of the Gakpo deal because there was some medical concern ... that wasn't a concern .... and that delayed the transfer and when we went back he had already signed elsewhere.

 

[Donnylad]

I'm not exactly a fan but I admire them and particularly their owner. He was I think a former butcher who when he packed that in and bought FGR went veggie , well vegan I believe, only catering on the ground is totally meat-free and many of the players too have meat-free diets.

I support York city who didn't turn up at the game you watched last week. Yesterday I saw them play very well against (Hollywood star owned) Wrexham - York battled for a hard fought draw. Freezing cold better than tv.

Tuesday I'm going to watch Farsley v Kings Lynn in National League North, I'll be rooting for Farsley but really I'm a neutral, just like live footy and cricket

Gale Green owns Ecotricity - see their website - much more to it that a butcher turned veggie!!! My Barnet supporting daughter and son-in-law did an away trip to FGR a few years ago. They found proper football people and supporters and had a great day.

 

[DaveMorton]

How does the vegan philosophy square up with having real leather cricket balls? Is it something that might stop a person watching, or playing, cricket?

 

[Karma]

How does the vegan philosophy square up with having real leather cricket balls? Is it something that might stop a person watching, or playing, cricket?

I really don't know. I would imagine that some extreme vegans would eschew playing or even watching these games and presumably would not sit on a leather chair or have leather shoes or a leather watchstrap. I would imagine that most would put their love of the game above their preferences. As a vegetarian it didn't bother me when I played football or cricket and doesn't bother me now watching, provided, I'm not asked to eat the cricket ball.

 

[DaveMorton]

....provided, I'm not asked to eat the cricket ball.

That was Shahid Afridi, wasn't it? But leather goods involve the death of the animal, where dairy products don't, but vegans refuse milk and cheese, I think? Interesting documentary the other day, about a Yorkshire fish farm which produces caviar without killing the sturgeon which, apparently, is the usual practice.

 

[Karma]

....provided, I'm not asked to eat the cricket ball.

That was Shahid Afridi, wasn't it? But leather goods involve the death of the animal, where dairy products don't, but vegans refuse milk and cheese, I think? Interesting documentary the other day, about a Yorkshire fish farm which produces caviar without killing the sturgeon which, apparently, is the usual practice.

You're right . Vegetarians usually object to the death of an animal or fish so they can EAT it. Some cheeses are suitable for vegetarians, where it's produced from animal-free rennet. Most cheese is made from rennet extracted from the stomachs of young dead calves and would be avoided.

It's a minefield. I became a vegetarian 40 years ago just after I'd seen a documentary where cattle were being injected with growth hormones AND antibiotics. So partly for health reasons with me and partly moral.

Vegans to me have a potentially less healthy diet because of lack of some essential nutrients , proteins and minerals etc

I don't object to others eating meat and for Christmas gatherings we'll give guests a choice. ( most say 'ooh, that looks interesting', eat the veggie stuff first and follow with the chicken etc!) Farmed caviar is progress , though I don't think I'll bother.

 

[DaveMorton]

It is being "civilised" that gives us the choice. Our primitive hunter-gatherer ancestors would have eaten whatever was available which, in northern latitudes, would have been fish and game in winter. If we hadn't, we would have been extinct. Nowadays, if we didn't eat cattle, sheep, pigs, fowl, etc, they would be extinct. We're not going to keep them alive as pets, or allow them to eat our crops! Okay, sheep for wool and hens for eggs, but that's about it.

I share the objection to eating 'battery farmed' food. I have the income to make that choice, though I am sometimes too lazy to read labels, and sometimes those labels might lie. As you say, Karma, it's a moral minefield, but the animals I eat are 'prey species' in nature, and I have no problem being the predator. And I've got a gorgeous piece of Morrison's rump steak in the fridge.

Checking the label, the only info is that it was slaughtered in GB and has a Red Tractor sticker. Googling this:


"Our logo means that the food you buy has been responsibly sourced, safely produced and comes from crops and animals that have been well cared for – so it's good for you and good for British farmers."

 

[Newby]

Interesting and uncomfortable film on Film 4 last night. It was called simply 'Cow' and portrayed the life a Dairy Cow and her calf on a farm in Kent. I'll be honest I didn't watch it all because I found it so uncomfortable to watch.

It was probably very much down to the art of the filmmaker but although the animal wasn't mistreated as such, it's existence was portrayed as a bit of a nightmare.

Back to football, well done England last night, they never really looked troubled. Change of gear now but if they can manage to get past France then who knows.

 

[byased]

Me , sort of. Have adopted them as my second/third/fourth team behind the Baggies, along with Scarborough and York
Good to see them win, not been yet this season, but will do so in the New Year. Have adopted them due to vegan diet, sustainable approach and lack of corrupt owners. You must go again!
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[byased]

England have had a comfortable draw, but handled it well. Gets tough from now on, any one of the last eight could win it.
I gave up meat 40 years ago, for many reasons, not least health. Still playing sport so it may be working. I decided I would not eat something I would not kill myself and do all the dirty work. I could manage fish, but not cows, pigs etc . Even 40 years ago it seemed strange that the farming system was so hopeless, large fields for animals that were mainly there to provide food for humans who didn't really need it , and in the meantime cooped themselves up in high rise flats.

 

[Capybara]

Me , sort of. Have adopted them as my second/third/fourth team behind the Baggies, along with Scarborough and York
Good to see them win, not been yet this season, but will do so in the New Year. Have adopted them due to vegan diet, sustainable approach and lack of corrupt owners. You must go again!
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I knew there was someone. It was really cold on that hillside on Saturday. West Brom and Forest Green? I think Port Vale are the next highest above sea level so perhaps you should add them to the list

 

[byased]

I knew there was someone. It was really cold on that hillside on Saturday. West Brom and Forest Green? I think Port Vale are the next highest above sea level so perhaps you should add them to the list

yes, i must like heights. Oldham were the second highest, but they don't count for the time being. FGR moving a new all wooden stadium for next year, just off motorway, may be a bit warmer. I always find Stoke the coldest and windiest place, not my favourite.

 

[Hawke]

yes, i must like heights. Oldham were the second highest, but they don't count for the time being. FGR moving a new all wooden stadium for next year, just off motorway, may be a bit warmer. I always find Stoke the coldest and windiest place, not my favourite.

Becoming a health conscious forum, I don't eat meat either but fish yes for the reasons byased gave.
Interesting that the midlands has these high grounds when I don't think of the region as having particularly high, hilly parts.
Yes the WC starts for real with the QFs.

 

[byased]

We will have to rename ourselves The Corridor of Sustainability

 

[Karma]

Well I keep trying to recycle some of my old posts

 

[DaveMorton]

You young guys will all be eating insects anyway, when I'm happily pushing up daisies.
Except for the veggies amongst you, who will be eating soya beans cunningly designed to look and taste like insects.
Enjoy.
Cricket rogan josh during the lunch interval? Yummy.

 

[Karma]

The Vanarama National League, in which my chosen team York City, currently ply their trade are introducing a 2 week trial of live-streamed games in that division.

It apparently starts this coming weekend at a reduced rate of £4.75 and with, I understand, the ability to switch between games. I have a very positive memory of Live streamed games during the Covid lockdowns when were were not permitted to be spectators. Some clubs provided it without charge but most charged, Where it was provided without charge I made a voluntary donation equivalent to the concession ticket price I would have then paid as realistically most lower league clubs needed this income to stay in business.

I know there has been discussion within cricket too about charging for live streaming. Again I don't have a problem with paying ( and of course providing the broadcast is technically good)

Back to football and I went to watch nearly bottom club Farsley at home to nearly top club Kings Lynn on Tuesday night ( National league North). Although I've seen Farsley a number of times this season ( including against Scarborough) , this was the first time they actually turned up and played , thumping KL 2 - 0 . KL apparently don't always travel well.

I have a dilemma as I'd rather attend a live game of football than watch whatever sport is on telly . Farsley are at home on Saturday to Leamington and I was planning to go as my beloved York team are away at Woking . There will be a Farsley pitch inspection at 09:30 as the weather forecast is for very cold and possibly frozen pitch and Leamington would have a long journey. Do I hope for the Farsley game is called off so that I can watch York's game live-streamed to my laptop? I suppose I could go to the Farsley game if played and at the same time listen to the York game on my radio as I would have originally done? . There would be 3-400 disappointed Farley supporters if there's no game

 

[Newby]

As long as there is a balance of home supporters who prefer to attend live sport then I think paid for livestreaming has a part to play.

At least it gives the none travelling football supporter a chance to watch their own team rather than another meaningless Manchester Millionaires v Chelsea Millionaires game.

 

[Karma]

As long as there is a balance of home supporters who prefer to attend live sport then I think paid for livestreaming has a part to play.

At least it gives the none travelling football supporter a chance to watch their own team rather than another meaningless Manchester Millionaires v Chelsea Millionaires game.

Couldn't agree more. It would be beneficial if the club's themselves offered the livestream then they'd either get gate money or livestream purchases to keep solvent. I personally cannot understand why someone in good health would not want be at the game assuming it was near. ( apart from Manchester United etc) It costs me £8 or £9 to watch local 5th tier football at the ground good value for almost a couple of hours live entertainment, excitement and good conversation.

My first choice game for Sat 10th at Farsley has been postponed ( as have several others because of frozen pitches) So I'll be watching the Woking v York livestream, maybe with a g + t .

That's another Tuesday night game at Farsley to look forward to though.