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Hawke

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Yes I agree the reservations are about the conditions for the builders of the stadia and the process of bidding for the event.

But regards other matters, each culture has its own way and develops in it own time. The 'west' spends a lot of time focusing on gender. The 'east' currently finds this bewildering. The host nation could also look at the 'west' and wonder about abuse of alcohol, rate of crime, violence, racial strife and possibly the abuse of freedom of expression, amongst other aspects of our way of life such as atheism.

If we went back 40 years there were racist chants and boos at our football grounds.

If other countries wanted to think of historic abuses, the Chinese might boycott us over the Opium Trade, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh over the Partition, South Africa over Boer War Concentration Camps, the West indies over slavery. Etc Etc
 
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Karma

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Agree with all you say, things change over time. What is acceptable now was not acceptable years ago and vice-versa in my living memory

Not the same thing but when my wife was being interviewed for her paid employment shortly after we married, she was asked, "Do you plan to have children?" (they wouldn't dare now). When we were buying a house (as joint tenants) and she phoned the solicitor on our behalf, instructing them to exchange contracts the solicitor said, " Please get your husband to phone me" (I did and told him off for being sexist, old fashioned and not living in the 20th century - he acknowledged his error, eventually and acted upon my wife's instructions)

I could say I've always had a deep-seated hatred of the French because of the way they helped the American people with money, ships, weapons etc when the colony was fighting for independence. Also, for helping every 'enemy' of England similarly eg the Scottish, the Welsh , the Irish etc. I don't hate them of course it's their problem for having an inferiority complex. I actually like the French even if as a vegetarian I have to eat 'Italian' when I go to France.

Realise I'm going off-piste, our prejudices are sometimes illogical and do change with time. As far as Quatar is concerned my prejudice is primarily about an essentially non-football playing/loving country stole the World Cup and built it on the graves of poorly treated immigrant workers within the last decade. In 30 years' time if there is a conflict in the Far East and the UK navy uses Quatar as a base, they will be our friends.

I should really add that I will probably watch some but comparatively little of the World Cup (if it's on terrestrial TV) . Like cricket , where i much prefer YCCC than Tests, I prefer lower league footy. Will be going to York tomorrow - just sacked our manager (v Wealdstone) and Farsley on Tuesday evening (v Chester). If there's World Cup footy on, I'll miss it for fresh air, live sport, good conversation and my own commentary.
 
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Donnylad

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You are so right on all points.

In my local coffee shop while waiting for my skinny frapachinos (not) I was speaking to the barista ( I hope that's the right word) and on the tv screen was a comedian threatening to shred £10,000 if Beckham continues with his obscene contract promoting the morally bankrupt regime hosting the World Cup. The barista doesn't know where it's being held and doesn't do politics so discussion ended there. However, Beckham is as morally bankrupt as Quatar .How does he sleep at night?

The comedian could instead of shredding £10,000 donate it to the Trussel Trust and do something positive for people less fortunate than himself, there's a call for emergency funding.
.. yes ... and if he really wanted to help people he could go and give it to/share it between any of the local FoodBanks in his area.

The Trussell Trust is an umbrella organisation and does not directly operate any FoodBanks. They provide services and have Area Managers who work with FBs on all sorts of pertinent issues. FBs pay a yearly franchise fee to avail themselves of the services. The best part of that is the tie up between Tesco and TT in that each local FB is linked to the nearest Tesco store where the FB can then have a collection point. Any food donated there is used by the Foodbank AND Tesco prove a cash rebate to the FB based on a notional value of a kilo of food.
That cash in hand in really useful. We collect roughly a tonne per month from ours and that brings in £3-£400 per month,

A share of £10k would help a FB even more.
 

Hawke

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I follow LUFC, their U21s, U18s and Women's teams. There I have said it. I also have an interest in Brechin City and now follow the results of the struggling TSV Munich 1860...... I am not really interested in England, especially as international representation for LUFC players seems to increase their chances of leaving. (I did support Scotland in my teens when Billy Bremner and Eddie Gray played for them. Ha!).
But this England team does interest me more than usual as I like its diversity.
I have a very tenuous link with Gareth Southgate I am keen to tell you about. 15 years or so ago he waited for me and my son to climb over a stile on a footpath near a local reservoir where he lives!!!!! Of course I thanked him. He may not recall this.
Oh but the England group is interesting as I see the opponents are Wales, the USA and Iran. What a mixed bunch.
 

Newby

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Instead of shredding the money the comedian/LGBQ+ activist/self publicist, Joe Lycett said he would give the money to charities that, his quote, support queer people in football, unquote if David Beckham pulled out of his deal to act as a World Cup ambassador.

I think the Trussell trust will have to look elsewhere for a donation.
 

DaveMorton

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This has become silly. Gay people use the word 'queer' quite freely, I think, and there was something about Raffa the Kaffir on another thread. If this is the limit of 'inappropriate labels' the debate has become trivial. Childish.

Worse than that, these examples disguise the real issue of prejudice, which is deeply harmful, where the odd rude word is not.
 

Donnylad

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Yes - a self publicising unwanted contribution ... by some non-person.

When the language becomes the norm, when the use of it is widespread and outside the community(ies) that accept it, when those in charge let if flow unchecked and even take part or show tacit approval, then that is when the brown stuff hits the ventilator. I think that is what is at the heart of the whole things at YCCC.
 

Karma

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I follow LUFC, their U21s, U18s and Women's teams. There I have said it. I also have an interest in Brechin City and now follow the results of the struggling TSV Munich 1860...... I am not really interested in England, especially as international representation for LUFC players seems to increase their chances of leaving. (I did support Scotland in my teens when Billy Bremner and Eddie Gray played for them. Ha!).
But this England team does interest me more than usual as I like its diversity.
I have a very tenuous link with Gareth Southgate I am keen to tell you about. 15 years or so ago he waited for me and my son to climb over a stile on a footpath near a local reservoir where he lives!!!!! Of course I thanked him. He may not recall this.
Oh but the England group is interesting as I see the opponents are Wales, the USA and Iran. What a mixed bunch.
That's quite an interest in association football and LU. In recent years I've seen more LU U21 games ( @York and Guisley) than 1st team (though I always look for LU's results in the Premiership and 'pray' they get enough good results and points to avoid the dreaded drop.

Coincidentally I know the reservoir you which you referred as it's a favourite 'circular' walk. On Christmas day last year we did a circuit, I think it's about 4 1/2 miles round and back to the car. About 4 years ago immediately after the last Football World Cup we were doing a circuit and accompanied by a lovely black Labrador named Rufus. He's a fabulous dog not our, but hugely intelligent and well trained by his owner, a delight to have on any walk. On this occasion, actually around Swinsty Reservoir, Rufus did about 10 miles because if you know anything about Labradors, you'll know that they enjoy swimming, sometime even bringing back the stick you've thrown for them. That apart Rufus runs backwards and forwards, down to the reservoir shore, finding a new stick and looking back longingly for us to come down and throw it out for him one more time to chase. The words, 'are you ready?' and he' s instantly alert.

Anyway, we'd walked (and swum) around to the far side and were approaching a large house (or mansion) with walls all around. Rufus ran ahead to the large gate as he could hear dogs inside. Then along the lane came Gareth Southgate not in his then trademark 3-piece M + S suit but in a tracksuit as he was just returning from his morning run. Before I thought about it, I'd shouted " Gareth, really well done!" and put my thumbs up (in the style of the late Bill Maynard in his character from 'Oh, no it's Selwyn Frogget', with the word 'magic', if anyone can remember that!) I was only slightly embarrassed and Gareth said pretty quietly, 'Oh, thanks', before going into his then home. I think the house was at that time up for sale, he might have moved but still extremely popular England manager

Wish Gareth and the team the best of luck and some attractive football (no politics) regardless of whether I'll be watching
 

Karma

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.. yes ... and if he really wanted to help people he could go and give it to/share it between any of the local FoodBanks in his area.

The Trussell Trust is an umbrella organisation and does not directly operate any FoodBanks. They provide services and have Area Managers who work with FBs on all sorts of pertinent issues. FBs pay a yearly franchise fee to avail themselves of the services. The best part of that is the tie up between Tesco and TT in that each local FB is linked to the nearest Tesco store where the FB can then have a collection point. Any food donated there is used by the Foodbank AND Tesco prove a cash rebate to the FB based on a notional value of a kilo of food.
That cash in hand in really useful. We collect roughly a tonne per month from ours and that brings in £3-£400 per month,

A share of £10k would help a FB even more.
Fully agree instead of shredding the money give it to foodbanks because the need is greater than ever. I mentioned the Trussel Trust because they recently e-mailed me almost apologising for the fact that this is the first time, they'd had to make a direct emergency appeal for more funds. We live in unprecedented times and without being political, there are going to be even greater demands on FB's not just for emergency food but also for advice and guidance etc. It's a basic and vital human need and we can't let people go hungry. Apart from money the FB's don't work by magic but lots of hard work. Well done, Donnylad!
 

Donnylad

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Fully agree instead of shredding the money give it to foodbanks because the need is greater than ever. I mentioned the Trussel Trust because they recently e-mailed me almost apologising for the fact that this is the first time, they'd had to make a direct emergency appeal for more funds. We live in unprecedented times and without being political, there are going to be even greater demands on FB's not just for emergency food but also for advice and guidance etc. It's a basic and vital human need and we can't let people go hungry. Apart from money the FB's don't work by magic but lots of hard work. Well done, Donnylad!
Trussell do need cash and they are generous with grants to FBs to develop what they do, especially in terms of help and advice to clients. The aim is to stop the need arising by tackling issues 'upstream' before the crisis hits.

Thank you for you good wishes everyone - direct help to a local foodbank is often the pressing need.
 

Hawke

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That's quite an interest in association football and LU. In recent years I've seen more LU U21 games ( @York and Guisley) than 1st team (though I always look for LU's results in the Premiership and 'pray' they get enough good results and points to avoid the dreaded drop.

Coincidentally I know the reservoir you which you referred as it's a favourite 'circular' walk. On Christmas day last year we did a circuit, I think it's about 4 1/2 miles round and back to the car. About 4 years ago immediately after the last Football World Cup we were doing a circuit and accompanied by a lovely black Labrador named Rufus. He's a fabulous dog not our, but hugely intelligent and well trained by his owner, a delight to have on any walk. On this occasion, actually around Swinsty Reservoir, Rufus did about 10 miles because if you know anything about Labradors, you'll know that they enjoy swimming, sometime even bringing back the stick you've thrown for them. That apart Rufus runs backwards and forwards, down to the reservoir shore, finding a new stick and looking back longingly for us to come down and throw it out for him one more time to chase. The words, 'are you ready?' and he' s instantly alert.

Anyway, we'd walked (and swum) around to the far side and were approaching a large house (or mansion) with walls all around. Rufus ran ahead to the large gate as he could hear dogs inside. Then along the lane came Gareth Southgate not in his then trademark 3-piece M + S suit but in a tracksuit as he was just returning from his morning run. Before I thought about it, I'd shouted " Gareth, really well done!" and put my thumbs up (in the style of the late Bill Maynard in his character from 'Oh, no it's Selwyn Frogget', with the word 'magic', if anyone can remember that!) I was only slightly embarrassed and Gareth said pretty quietly, 'Oh, thanks', before going into his then home. I think the house was at that time up for sale, he might have moved but still extremely popular England manager

Wish Gareth and the team the best of luck and some attractive football (no politics) regardless of whether I'll be watching
Yes that is the GS connection. He must have bought there when playing for Boro. But a long drive there still.....
By 'follow' LU I mean I now avidly scour the internet, listen to the radio and watch You Tube compulsively . They are an obsession of mine but I can't get tickets as I gave up being a season ticket holder during their long painful decline. In my youth I saw them at Paris at the infamous 75 European Final.
I currently watch local rugby union and actually prefer it to local soccer, partly because in my later years I find my concentration only lasts 80 rather 90 minutes!
People have 'bucket lists' don't they. One of mine is to stand by the hedge at Glebe Park and watch Brechin City!
 

Capybara

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Gareth Southgate still lives at Swinsty Hall which he bought when he played at Middlesbrough. In 2021 a portrait of Southgate in tea on paper appeared in the window at Betty's in Harrogate. I've also met him although this was in London at a Middlesbrough supporters' do when he was manager.

@Karma I've heard that York City's ground can be a bit of a nightmare to get to and from by public transport which sounds like a real nuisance as I'd like to pay a visit.

As regards Brechin City, a former boss of mine was brought up in the town (it's not actually a city) and when we had some work in Scotland about thirty years ago we stayed in the town on the way up to Aberdeen. The following morning we walked round to the football club and it was open so we walked in for a wander around. We hadn't been there long when we were approached by a not pleased-looking groundkeeper. His mood changed when my boss told him that, as a child, he had been the ballboy (they only had the one) whose job was to sit in a chair like that of a tennis umpire so that he could nip over the hedge and retrieve the ball when it was kicked in that direction.
 
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Karma

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Gareth Southgate still lives at Swinsty Hall which he bought when he played at Middlesbrough. In 2021 a portrait of Southgate in tea on paper appeared in the window at Betty's in Harrogate. I've also met him although this was in London at a Middlesbrough supporters' do when he was manager.

@Karma I've heard that York City's ground can be a bit of a nightmare to get to and from by public transport which sounds like a real nuisance as I'd like to pay a visit.

As regards Brechin City, a former boss of mine was brought up in the town (it's not actually a city) and when we had some work in Scotland about thirty years ago we stayed in the town on the way up to Aberdeen. The following morning we walked round to the football club and it was open so we walked in for a wander around. We hadn't been there long when we were approached by a not pleased-looking groundkeeper. His mood changed when my boss told him that, as a child, he had been the ballboy (they only had the one) whose job was to sit in a chair like that of a tennis umpire so that he could nip over the hedge and retrieve the ball when it was kicked in that direction.
I go to watch York city when I can Capybara, season tickets both for my seat and for parking. I actually live in West Yorkshire and I'd use public transport but it's hard mid-week to get the last train.

However my wife often accompanies me and we'd maybe visit somewhere like Beningborough Hall in the morning and then she'd go shopping while I went to the footy. She would get the No.9 Park and ride bus out to the ground and wait in the car until the game finishes.(by the way if you drive to the ground there is limited parking for non-season ticket holders. In the adjacent 'shopping' carparks you can get free parking by buying something at fairly modest cost but get a ticket from one of the machine and having it 'franked' - instruction at machines)

Going to watch Farsley v Chester this Tuesday they've each got a York 'old boy' Tom Allen for Farsley and Kurt Willoughby
for Chester. Same venue next Sat home to Buxten - they have more than one York old boy
 

Hawke

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Gareth Southgate still lives at Swinsty Hall which he bought when he played at Middlesbrough. In 2021 a portrait of Southgate in tea on paper appeared in the window at Betty's in Harrogate. I've also met him although this was in London at a Middlesbrough supporters' do when he was manager.

@Karma I've heard that York City's ground can be a bit of a nightmare to get to and from by public transport which sounds like a real nuisance as I'd like to pay a visit.

As regards Brechin City, a former boss of mine was brought up in the town (it's not actually a city) and when we had some work in Scotland about thirty years ago we stayed in the town on the way up to Aberdeen. The following morning we walked round to the football club and it was open so we walked in for a wander around. We hadn't been there long when we were approached by a not pleased-looking groundkeeper. His mood changed when my boss told him that, as a child, he had been the ballboy (they only had the one) whose job was to sit in a chair like that of a tennis umpire so that he could nip over the hedge and retrieve the ball when it was kicked in that direction.
Hope if I get there, the reception will be friendlier! I have no ballboy anecdote to relate.
 

Karma

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How about this for tactics?

It's repoerted that a Guiseley 'fan' urinated in the Warrington goalie's water bottle on Saturday. The goalie was sent off when he squirted the alleged culprit after first taking a drink.

Guiseley won after the goalie was then red carded . Now that' what I'd call taking the P
 

Karma

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How about this for tactics?

It's repoerted that a Guiseley 'fan' urinated in the Warrington goalie's water bottle on Saturday. The goalie was sent off when he squirted the alleged culprit after first taking a drink.

Guiseley won after the goalie was then red carded . Now that' what I'd call taking the P

Update:

I've been in touch with a fellow Yorkshire Cricket season ticket holder who is also a member Guiseley footy season ticket holder . He says it was a Chester fan 'what done the deed'

Guiseley football have on their website a statement about cctv footage on social media and basically whenever the culprit is identified will suffer a lifetime ban from Guiseley's games.

More drama than the World Cup
 

Newby

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How about this for tactics?

It's repoerted that a Guiseley 'fan' urinated in the Warrington goalie's water bottle on Saturday. The goalie was sent off when he squirted the alleged culprit after first taking a drink.

Guiseley won after the goalie was then red carded . Now that' what I'd call taking the P
Youtube seems to show the so-called fan actually crept onto the field and swapped a bottle he had urinated in with the goalie's bottle. Some other so-called fan actually took a video of the incident and others may have been in on it.

The motivation may well have been to create 10 minutes of social media fame. I hope they are identified and banned from football and whatever social media platform they use.

My sympathy is with the goalie who I hope gets back his love of the game.
 

byased

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Trussell do need cash and they are generous with grants to FBs to develop what they do, especially in terms of help and advice to clients. The aim is to stop the need arising by tackling issues 'upstream' before the crisis hits.

Thank you for you good wishes everyone - direct help to a local foodbank is often the pressing need.
Done a little bit for Trussell in Kidderminster. They do a very good job, and sadly very much needed. Good on you DL!
 

Karma

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Update:

I've been in touch with a fellow Yorkshire Cricket season ticket holder who is also a member Guiseley footy season ticket holder . He says it was a Chester fan 'what done the deed'

Guiseley football have on their website a statement about cctv footage on social media and basically whenever the culprit is identified will suffer a lifetime ban from Guiseley's games.

More drama than the World Cup
And yesterday Guiseley sacked their manager of 6 months duration after the away win to take his team onto the next round of THE FA Trophy (a 'minor' cup competition for essentially lower league clubs with a Wembley final) That's thanks.

No link to the urine incident apparently
 

Hawke

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Update:

I've been in touch with a fellow Yorkshire Cricket season ticket holder who is also a member Guiseley footy season ticket holder . He says it was a Chester fan 'what done the deed'

Guiseley football have on their website a statement about cctv footage on social media and basically whenever the culprit is identified will suffer a lifetime ban from Guiseley's games.

More drama than the World Cup
Hope it's not a Guiseley fan but a very poor joke, yuck, whoever..... I think goalies in non-league must cop a lot of verbal nonsense. That is taking it a step further. Daft, unpleasant nonsense.
 
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